Thursday, January 29, 2015

To Re-Invent a Less Functional Wheel


Tony Steed - I do wish people would realize that their fate and destiny on this world is in their own hands, not some entity. You've got a lot more impact on your own life than you think you do.   When bad things happen, they aren't tests. They're just bad things.

When good things happen, it isn't a blessing, it's the law of averages.  I've been through a lot in my life, and when I was religious, I attributed it to God.  Now I attribute all those good and bad things to the situations I was in, mostly done at my own persistence or resistance.   You are more likely to be helped by those that care for you, and even the random stranger, who APPEARS to be a god send, but really isn't, to help see you through.

Trust more in your own abilities, but don't get big headed. Accept help from others when they offer it legitimately. Realize your future is in your hands alone. You're the ships captain. So go do your thing. Just don't hurt anybody else while doing it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "I do wish people would realize that their fate and destiny on this world is in their own hands, not some entity."

According to The Entity, the gift of free will gives all human beings their fate and destiny in this world in their own hands.

Tony Steed - That could be true, but we must define the entity, then prove the entity to exist, once proven to exist, we must prove the entity to not be a highly evolved alien entity. THEN and only then can we decide if said entity belongs to one of the thousands of belief systems on this particular world. But even then I still would not worship it. It's like a deadbeat parent.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "That could be true, but we must define the entity..."

Not necessary. He defined Himself and was kind enough to reveal the info to us. That will keep us from the awkward position of trying to figure out a truly unique Being we are literally incapable of understanding.

Tony Steed - Also true. But is he really a he or an it? Or a them posing as a he or a she? As a student of the stars, there's one thing I understand. I will never understand everything. But will seek out the things I can, and am capable of understanding. Eventually the "Gods" WILL be us. Who knows maybe it was us or another form of life that caused the creation of this universe. The idea is fascinating to me. Even if the Gods existed, I would never wish to stay in the heavens under their presence. The Multiverse is much more intriguing. I'd want to explore the "Gods" creation for eternity. I'd love to sit in the middle of a black hole and follow it to the "exit". I'd love to "look" at a Quasar with my own eyes. Me personally. I don't think i'd be satisfied with a heavenly afterlife.

Tony Steed - I guess I'd have followed Satan, or Hades, or Prometheus, and Osiris.

Michael Williams - All deities are just energy. Most people are too stupid to understand and accept it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: “Also true. But is he really a he or an it?”

Neither. Traditionally we use the male pronouns because of the status the male has in a patriarchal language, capitalizing them to differentiate them from the regular pronouns that actually convey “male.” God is One and is above the concept of duality, so the ‘male’ aspect doesn’t apply to Him. It’s just a limitation of the language. Likewise we wouldn’t use “it” because in English ‘it’ designates something that is inferior to humans, and it would definitely not be appropriate.

Tony Steed wrote: “Or a them posing as a he or a she?”

God said He is One and shares His Godhood with no one. He is separate from His creation, and all he has created are His servants.

Tony Steed wrote: “As a student of the stars, there's one thing I understand. I will never understand everything. But will seek out the things I can, and am capable of understanding. Eventually the "Gods" WILL be us. Who knows maybe it was us or another form of life that caused the creation of this universe.”

God knows. And He took the time to explain the matter to us. We can use science to attempt to figure out the numerous “hows,” but God already explained the why.

Tony Steed wrote: “The idea is fascinating to me. Even if the Gods existed, I would never wish to stay in the heavens under their presence. The Multiverse is much more intriguing. I'd want to explore the "Gods" creation for eternity. I'd love to sit in the middle of a black hole and follow it to the "exit". I'd love to "look" at a Quasar with my own eyes. Me personally. I don't think i'd be satisfied with a heavenly afterlife.”

We have no idea of what the afterlife will be like, only weak analogies that can only attempt to give us a tiny peak using concepts that we are already familiar with. From the glimpses of the creatures in scripture that are not limited by the inherent shackles of a life of flesh, they seem to be able to explore the multiverse at will all they wish. The believer will find out what its like on the other side. From here we don’t have enough to speculate on; God doesn’t share the secrets of the unseen with us while we are going through this test.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: "All deities are just energy. Most people are too stupid to understand and accept it."

How can someone with no certain knowledge of spiritual concepts, pull a random idea out of thin air and then claim others are stupid because they don't recognize the fake truth in the random idea he proclaimed?

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "I guess I'd have followed Satan, or Hades, or Prometheus, and Osiris."

Will you forsake the secrets of the universe that you are so fascinated by? Have a care, Tony.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "You've got a lot more impact on your own life than you think you do."

That's God's message to mankind. What you do will effect the quality of your existence, both in this life and in the next.

Tony Steed - Thats the thing. Those "Gods" I posted were the ones giving us the secrets of the universe. They were more like teachers, rather than evil. Even Satan could do no harm unless he had God's permission. The others paid for their gift of knowledge, by having the Gods punish them. I think i'm one of those willing to be punished to further mankind. I'd rather worry about the people in front of me, than the reward or penalty of an afterlife. That's one of the reasons I gave up religion. People mattered to me more than the Gods, or their whims. It's funny though. The Gods of the Greeks, and Romans were more open to human thought and the progress of man. As long as you paid them due, they cared not what we did.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "When bad things happen, they aren't tests. They're just bad things. When good things happen, it isn't a blessing, it's the law of averages."

Both good and bad events are tests. If a bad thing happens to you and you curse God and reject Him and give up on life, then you failed. If good things happen and you consider it all to be your doing in every way and never give God His due, basically worshiping yourself, then you failed.

When bad things happen and you pray for God to strengthen you and patiently persevere through the hardship and work hard to figure out solutions to make it happen, then you win. If you thank God for the good things that befall you and share a portion of the good with those who are less fortunate, then you win.

Tony Steed - I do those now, without thanking or cursing him. I simply don't believe. I am happy for those who have found a need for something more than themselves. For me, the people I help are where my "tests" lay. I'll help a believer as fast as a non believer. I had a woman once who was purchasing some cleaning supplies in either a wal mart or target, I was behind her, and her card was declined. It was only like 15 bucks or so, so I paid for it. To her it may have been something of a test, or some trial, she did kind of panic. I just said i'll pay for it. It was a person in need, She thanked God, and asked him to bless me. I told her I was an Atheist, and said you were in need, no biggie. She thanked me again and left. I don't know what she was thinking after that. But it was just the human thing to do. Her bad situation just happened, probably because of something she neglected. No harm no foul, just a learning thing.

Tony Steed - I do like this discussion though.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: “Thats the thing. Those "Gods" I posted were the ones giving us the secrets of the universe.”

In His scripture it was the One God who said that He taught us the use of the pen, and taught us that which we knew not. Over and over He said it was He who gave us what we need, that He always was here to provide for us, and why He commands that we bow down and acknowledge it, and that we have no cause at all for our arrogance. That if He so willed, He could dissolve us into the component atoms he made us of, and create a whole new species to take our place, one that will give Him His due.

Tony Steed wrote: “They were more like teachers, rather than evil.”

God set the matter straight as to what really goes on behind the scenes when it comes to rebellious spirits that sometimes interact with us, and what it truly means, and who promises, and who keeps His promises.

Tony Steed wrote: “Even Satan could do no harm unless he had God's permission. The others paid for their gift of knowledge, by having the Gods punish them.”

It is God that gives us knowledge through inspiration. Punishment, and banishment, comes to those who sin.

Tony Steed wrote: “I think i'm one of those willing to be punished to further mankind. I'd rather worry about the people in front of me, than the reward or penalty of an afterlife.”

This finite mortal life is the dojo training ground to prepare us for the eternal true life on the other side of it. That’s like saying you never want to get a job and become self-sufficient; that you’d rather live in your mom’s basement and go to middle school for the rest of your life. It has the same level of seriousness to it.

Tony Steed wrote: “That's one of the reasons I gave up religion.”

Considering what you confessed you loved and would want to explore, throwing away your religion will prove to be your undoing. I suggest you reconsider.

Tony Steed wrote: “People mattered to me more than the Gods, or their whims.”

The One God is all that matters. It is He that can grant you the Ultimate Quality of Life you didn’t even know you wanted. How you treat people in this life is one of the tools for claiming that Ultimate Life, but there are other major components that come along with it, that you will seriously damage yourself over if you fail to embrace them.

Tony Steed wrote: “It's funny though. The Gods of the Greeks, and Romans were more open to human thought and the progress of man. As long as you paid them due, they cared not what we did.”

The One God has given you the free will to literally do whatever you set your mind to do in this life. He was merciful enough to provide instruction as to the path to take in this life that would secure maximum benefits, but you are free to reject it completely if you wish to; it won’t harm Him in the least if you do. But know that you will seriously shortchange yourself.

Andrew Bell - Lol

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: “I do those now, without thanking or cursing him. I simply don't believe.”

That’s where the shortchanging yourself comes in at. You cannot win without God. You wouldn’t be here at all without Him. Why ignore His manual for success to risk a colossal failure by attempting to reinvent the wheel yourself?

Tony Steed wrote: “I am happy for those who have found a need for something more than themselves. For me, the people I help are where my "tests" lay. I'll help a believer as fast as a non believer. I had a woman once who was ....”

Why take the time to go out of your way to help people if it won’t profit you in the long term? If you’re going to play the game, you may as well play to win it. Why just randomly toss around the pieces on the board, and uselessly shuffle the fake money in the tray? That’s a waste of time. A waste of life. You should go ahead and deal yourself in for real and try to win that trophy while you are putting in all that work along the way.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: "I've been through a lot in my life, and when I was religious, I attributed it to God. Now I attribute all those good and bad things to the situations I was in, mostly done at my own persistence or resistance."

It's both.

Muhammad Rasheed - Using our Free Will we make things happen in our personal lives, and the decisions we make have both physical and spiritual consequences. When we praise God much and never give up, striving hard to accomplish difficult tasks while praying for His strengthening, He will move those items that are out of our reach and opens doors for us... give us favor. But when we give up, and take bullshit shortcuts, shoot illegal moves, etc., then we eat the bad of those choices. And sometimes just being on a geologically volatile planet can catch us, wrecking horrendous damage to our lives, but it is our attitude when faced with such adversity that alone determines whether we will be victorious or not at the end of it.

Muhammad Rasheed - Tony Steed wrote: “You are more likely to be helped by those that care for you, and even the random stranger, who APPEARS to be a god send, but really isn't, to help see you through.”

How would you know that the goodly stranger isn’t a God send in people’s lives? How could you possibly know whether that was so or not?

Tony Steed wrote: “Trust more in your own abilities, but don't get big headed.”

God said to use the abilities He gave you to do your best in this life and follow the path so that you may prosper, making sure to thank Him and be among those who are grateful.

Tony Steed wrote: “Accept help from others when they offer it legitimately.”

And how would they know that?

Tony Steed wrote: “Realize your future is in your hands alone.”

That’s what Free Will means. No one is controlling you. The pagans believed their idols were holding them back.

Michael Williams - "No certain knowledge of spiritual concepts?" That's a mighty big assumption on your part. Do you claim to have 'certain knowledge'? I've studied more about religion than most people would even consider. I devour religious texts like a fat kid at a cookie stand. I am practicing Odinist, though I've grown to hate the terms assigned to practitioners of various faiths, and have been for roughly 10 years. I meditate everyday for about an hour, some days 2-3. And I hate to break it to you, but the concept of God(s) being energy is anything but random. Ever hear of metaphysics? Do some reading. And I love that term you used, "Fake Truth". That's perfect for what most religious organizations have rammed down the throats of the masses for centuries. It's been so firmly lodged in there, in fact, that it's choked the common sense from the 'devout' and blinded them with illusions. Tony posted originally on the notion of man having more power than they realize and this concept is completely lost in the Abrahamic faiths. Without the Will of man God as "He" is know would not exist. It has been through the Will's of various men throughout the ages to put the mythologies of the various faiths to paper to propagate their existence throughout the world.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “MRasheed wrote: "No certain knowledge of spiritual concepts?" "That's a mighty big assumption on your part. Do you claim to have 'certain knowledge'?”

Of course. The revealed scripture of the One God is my certain knowledge, and it is exactly what it claims to be.  Without doubt.

Michael Williams wrote: “I've studied more about religion than most people would even consider. I devour religious texts like a fat kid at a cookie stand.”

Michael you’re 28 years old.

Michael Williams wrote: “I am practicing Odinist…”

That’s called paganism.

Michael Williams wrote: “…though I've grown to hate the terms assigned to practitioners of various faiths, and have been for roughly 10 years. I meditate everyday for about an hour, some days 2-3.”

To do what?

Michael Williams wrote: “And I hate to break it to you…”

lol

Michael Williams wrote: “…but the concept of God(s) being energy is anything but random. Ever hear of metaphysics?”

Energy, metaphysics, matter, and any other aspect of this reality have nothing to do with God. As he said He is the Supreme Creator that is apart from His creation, and there is nothing like unto Him. You can read all the science book that have ever been writ, and not once come close to what God is.

Michael Williams wrote: “Do some reading. And I love that term you used, "Fake Truth". That's perfect for what most religious organizations have rammed down the throats of the masses for centuries.”

No, God’s truth is the only truth. Fake truth is paganism, and any nonsense pseudo-science that pretends it understands the nature of God.

Michael Williams wrote: “It's been so firmly lodged in there…”

If that were true then the falsehood of paganism would not exist.

Michael Williams wrote: “…in fact, that it's choked the common sense from the 'devout' and blinded them with illusions.”
Common sense would be to realize that the Being that created the very concept of mathematics from scratch, and hung a universe upon it like a jacket onto a coat hanger, would be so far removed from mere “energy” (a concept created specifically for this reality) it would cause you to never fix your mouth to say such foolishness.

Michael Williams wrote: “Tony posted originally on the notion of man having more power than they realize and this concept is completely lost in the Abrahamic faiths.”

That’s 100% untrue, and an interesting statement from one who claimed to study the religions. Free Will is the gift from God that means you have the liberty to do whatever you want to in this life… anything at all… and you will only be held accountable once this is all over. If a believer does not act within his Free Will, it is a limitation he put only upon himself.

Michael Williams wrote: “Without the Will of man God as "He" is know would not exist.”

Only the narrow pagan mind thinks that way.

Michael Williams wrote: “It has been through the Will's of various men throughout the ages to put the mythologies of the various faiths to paper to propagate their existence throughout the world.”

Meanwhile, God told mankind who He was from the beginning, but waves upon waves of the narrow pagan-minded came along and tried to force the Supreme Creator into small boxes that they could more easily understand, like bearded men-imagery, multi-armed fiends, and even “energy.”

Michael Williams - Scripture? Really? That's your certainty? A book of Mythology? Wow. A strong feeling would have been a better answer. You're so deluded by Dogma that there is little point in arguing with you, but I'm feeling feisty, so why not. Oh, and I guess I'll go with the formatting you're so fond, since you seem incapable of stringing cohesive thoughts together without breaking them up, though I'm going to be a little less academic in my wording.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “Scripture? Really? That's your certainty? A book of Mythology? Wow. A strong feeling would have been a better answer.”

And that’s the difference between us. You think your 28 year old feelings trump the Word of God.

Michael Williams wrote: “You're so deluded by Dogma that there is little point in arguing with you…”

I’m deluded but your feelings have you meditating to odin?

Michael Williams wrote: “…but I'm feeling feisty, so why not. Oh, and I guess I'll go with the formatting you're so fond…”

You’ll owe me $0.25 ever time you do it, too.

Michael Williams wrote: “…since you seem incapable of stringing cohesive thoughts together without breaking them up, though I'm going to be a little less academic in my wording.”

Do you, pagan. Throw down your rod. Let’s see what you have.

Michael Williams - Having an unwillingness to even entertain the notions brought on by Science mires you further in Dogma and prevents you from grasping the full breadth of what "God" actually is. God goes way beyond what any Bible or Preacher says and if more Christians would pull their heads out of the sand, they would see a far larger and more splendid word than conceived by the Church.

I get that you might extrapolate that the Abrahamic faiths are all about the Will of man, but that's a modern concept put forth by the free thinkers within the church. Doctrine's main focus is the Will of God and the Will man is an after thought.

Michael Williams - But you're completely indoctrinated. A "lost cause", so to speak. And I'm sad for you, truly. Ah well, better luck next life, am I right?

Michael Williams - Be wary of Dogma, for it makes sheep of men.

Michael Williams - And your damn right my 28 year old feelings trump the "Word of God". It's a book. Compiled by an awful man, who pulled things from it, interjected his own ideas, to levy it as a means of control of the people he ruled. Feeling is the essence of what God should be. If you don't feel it, if you need the "Word of God" for your faith to be justified, then you've missed the point entirely.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “Having an unwillingness to even entertain the notions brought on by Science…”

Actually I love science. But that’s not what we are talking about here. Science is the effort to reverse engineer how God created the universe so we can figure it all out. God Himself isn’t science, nor is He a part of this creation. Trying to force Him to be is a sign of the narrow-minded.

Michael Williams wrote: “…mires you further in Dogma and prevents you from grasping the full breadth of what "God" actually is.”

You will never know the full breadth of what God actually is. You don’t have that ability. None of us do. God is truly unique, and nothing we have is equipped to understand Him, all we can do is study the briefest glimpses He revealed of Himself.

Michael Williams wrote: “God goes way beyond what any Bible or Preacher says…”

Of course He does. That’s why He’s God. He goes way beyond any measuring instrument mere men can ever devise.

Michael Williams wrote: “…and if more Christians would pull their heads out of the sand, they would see a far larger and more splendid word than conceived by the Church.”

Unfortunately, modern Pauline Christianity is a form of paganism by way of their worship of the messenger that God anointed to preach His Word.

Michael Williams wrote: “I get that you might extrapolate that the Abrahamic faiths are all about the Will of man…”

The Abrahamic Faiths were gifts by God to mankind… His messengers’ systematized wisdom and instruction of what God revealed to us.

Michael Williams wrote: “…but that's a modern concept put forth by the free thinkers within the church. Doctrine's main focus is the Will of God and the Will man is an after thought.”

You’re projecting.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “But you're completely indoctrinated.”

lol I chose my religion for myself.

Michael Williams wrote: “A "lost cause", so to speak. And I'm sad for you, truly. Ah well, better luck next life, am I right?”

Being lost to the cause of paganism is a win for me, chief.

Michael Williams wrote: “Be wary of Dogma, for it makes sheep of men.”

The sheep I most often encounter are the ones who discard their barely understood family religion for a false sense of intelligence by embracing atheism because “everyone’s doing it” who lack a cohesive argument of their own as to why they chose that path. More often than not it’s because sheep are too lazy to do what their Lord commanded of them, so they find it easier just to proclaim they don’t believe in it.

Michael Williams wrote: “And your damn right my 28 year old feelings trump the "Word of God".”

You’ll think differently when those same feelings have you dangling over the Pit.

Michael Williams wrote: “It's a book. Compiled by an awful man, who pulled things from it, interjected his own ideas, to levy it as a means of control of the people he ruled. Feeling is the essence of what God should be. If you don't feel it, if you need the "Word of God" for your faith to be justified, then you've missed the point entirely.”

lol smh

So is this the extent of your argument, Michael?

Michael Williams wrote: “Yes, I'm 28. What does that have to do with anything? Are you asserting that because of my age I couldn't possibly have any idea what I'm talking about?”

Absolutely. For example, the post above that one was the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read on Facebook.

Michael Williams - So sad. So very, very sad. Though I would like to point out the use of the phrase "Family Religion". My ancestry hails from Northern Europe. Odin is in my blood and embrace that. The Christian lies made my spirit I'll and I sought a deeper truth and found my way to the teachings of the Aesir and Vanir. A faith far older than any of the Abrahamic texts. Granted my beliefs are far from literal and very much a sibling to my scientific beliefs. 

And the fact that you have nothing but "smh" to say in regard to my views on your so called "Word of God" speaks volumes.  Dogma, dogma, everywhere but no sense to be found.  But, regardless of your archaic authoritarian views I still wish nothing but peace and love for you. For everyone, really. An end to suffering from the binds of illusion. Sig Ansuz. Sig Wunjo. Sowilo, hailj√†!

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “So sad. So very, very sad. Though I would like to point out the use of the phrase "Family Religion". My ancestry hails from Northern Europe. Odin is in my blood and embrace that.”

Is Dr. Seuss also in your “blood?” Or Sesame Street?  That’s on the same level of seriousness. 

Michael Williams wrote: “The Christian lies made my spirit I'll and I sought a deeper truth and found my way to the teachings of the Aesir and Vanir.”

Any lies within Christianity are a light dusting on top of the truth of God’s Word. There is no truth at all within paganism. 

Michael Williams wrote: “A faith far older than any of the Abrahamic texts.”

The texts themselves are relatively new, but the message they contain are far older, and go back to the First Family of mankind as they describe. Paganism came after the true message and represents a taint to tempt the foolish and narrow-minded.

Michael Williams wrote: “Granted my beliefs are far from literal and very much a sibling to my scientific beliefs.”

1.) Paganism has nothing to do with science in anyway.

2.) Your “scientific beliefs” is very telling. 

Michael Williams wrote: “And the fact that you have nothing but "smh" to say in regard to my views on your so called "Word of God" speaks volumes.”

Well, what can I say to someone who believes their 28 year old little feelings are more important than the civilizing ideals of humankind that we built entire societies around? Your feelings will cause you to date rape some poor girl, to run in fear from an unarmed black man who is just going to the store, to not feel like getting up and taking care of a household chore because of laziness, etc. Your feelings don’t mean anything and barely have value even to you. 

Michael Williams wrote: “Dogma, dogma, everywhere but no sense to be found.”

You wouldn’t know ‘sense’ if it had only one eye and rode in on a goat-drawn war cart. 

Michael Williams wrote: “But, regardless of your archaic authoritarian views…”

A minute ago you were bragging about how old your worthless paganistic views were, but now you’re taking a dig at my archaic views? I think you managed to outrun your own flimsy version of ‘sense.’ 

Michael Williams wrote: “I still wish nothing but peace and love for you.”

I guess that explains why your first post was a passive-aggressive insult. That’s what I expected “peace & love” would look like from a pagan. You may keep them.

Michael Williams - So, it's silly of me to follow the teachings of my ancestry, but perfectly okay for you to go a faith cause it's your 'family religion'. Your lack of respect for heritage is staggering.

I will admit that there are some truths within the Bible. The teachings of the Christ figure, about love and treating others as you would treat yourself, that stuff is solid Gold. But there are quite a few bits that are just awful and anyone who accepts them as part of 'Gods Truth' is just as awful. Like...let's see....1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Samuel 15:3, Exodus 22:18, Psalm 137:9, or the entire book of Leviticus, to name a few. Besides that the so called 'truth' was so convoluted by the men who compiled it that it can barely be assessed as a coherent mythology, much less any great Truth. I mean come one, there are about 18 YEARS of Jesus' life that are missing from the book. You'd think they'd want to include those, seeing as he seems to be the central character in the piece, but maybe I'm just knit-picking. 

As far as the age of my faith, that's where the science comes in. The 'first family' is a myth and if you think otherwise then your intelligence really is in question. The concepts of my faith are older than the word paganism and purer than the control mechanisms instilled by yours. 

And my faith and science go very strongly together, but then again I'm going to guess that you assume I look at some dusty old tome and that's where all my beliefs come from, like you, so it'd be much too difficult for you to grasp the concept of a the cultivation of a harmonious scientific spirituality. But, of wait, that teetering back in that whole metaphysics realm and that must make your head hurt something awful.

Muhammad Rasheed - Michael Williams wrote: “So, it's silly of me to follow the teachings of my ancestry, but perfectly okay for you to go a faith cause it's your 'family religion'.”

I accept the message of the Abrahamic Religions because I believe them to be true, and they stand up to intellectual scrutiny

Michael Williams wrote: “Your lack of respect for heritage is staggering.”

Heritage is worthless if it fails to uphold the values of God’s truth. Paganism is beyond worthless. 

Michael Williams wrote: “I will admit that there are some truths within the Bible.”

I will admit there are no truths within paganism. 

Michael Williams wrote: “The teachings of the Christ figure, about love and treating others as you would treat yourself, that stuff is solid Gold. But there are quite a few bits that are just awful and anyone who accepts them as part of 'Gods Truth' is just as awful. Like...let's see....1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Samuel 15:3, Exodus 22:18, Psalm 137:9, or the entire book of Leviticus, to name a few. Besides that the so called 'truth' was so convoluted by the men who compiled it that it can barely be assessed as a coherent mythology, much less any great Truth.”

Sacred scripture is worth studying so you will understand it in stages throughout your lifetime. That’s how it was designed… multi-layered. But I wouldn’t expect a 28 year old within our 30 second sound bite/instant oatmeal society to understand that right now. 

Michael Williams wrote: “I mean come one, there are about 18 YEARS of Jesus' life that are missing from the book. You'd think they'd want to include those, seeing as he seems to be the central character in the piece, but maybe I'm just knit-picking.”

The job of scripture is to explain the message, so if the minute details of the prophets’ lives are omitted, it means they were not relevant to the point. Common sense. 

Michael Williams wrote: “As far as the age of my faith, that's where the science comes in. The 'first family' is a myth…”

Based on what? Science traces our DNA to the original unknown man and woman they came from, with all humans on earth holding the portions of those same genes spread throughout us all.

Michael Williams wrote: “..and if you think otherwise then your intelligence really is in question. The concepts of my faith are older than the word paganism…”

Making an argument that something is older than the English language is a strawman. 

Michael Williams wrote: “…and purer than the control mechanisms instilled by yours.”

Avoiding wrong and doing good so that we can avoid punishment and receive reward was there from the very beginning. 

Michael Williams wrote: “And my faith and science go very strongly together…”

Your version of “science” is only faith.

Michael Williams wrote: “…but then again I'm going to guess that you assume I look at some dusty old tome and that's where all my beliefs come from…”

At this point I’m actually questioning the strength of your literacy skills. Once again you are criticizing the age of my faith, while in the same post celebrating the age of your own. Do you even hear yourself when you rant? 

Michael Williams wrote: “…like you, so it'd be much too difficult for you to grasp the concept of a the cultivation of a harmonious scientific spirituality.”

Like the 10th century Islamic society in old Baghdad? Lol smh 

Michael Williams wrote: “But, of wait, that teetering back in that whole metaphysics realm and that must make your head hurt something awful.”

You’re the one who can’t express the concept of God without forcing him into a bearded anthropomorphic form that your little infant mind can grasp.

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