Tuesday, December 22, 2015
Countering the GOP Gun Control Talking Point
Abdur Rasheed - Fact-Free Liberals By Thomas Sowell
Abdur Rasheed - Thomas Sowell wrote: "Words seem to carry far more weight than facts among those liberals who argue as if rent-control laws actually control rents and gun-control laws actually control guns.”
Abdur Rasheed - Thomas Sowell wrote: “It does no good to point out to them that the two American cities where rent-control laws have existed longest and strongest — New York and San Francisco — are also the two cities with the highest average rents.”
If rent was low would they have to set limits on how high the rent can be??
Abdur Rasheed - Thomas Sowell wrote: “Nor does it make a dent on them when you point out evidence, from both sides of the Atlantic, that tightening gun-control laws does not reduce gun crimes, including murder. It is not uncommon for gun crimes to rise when gun-control laws are tightened. Apparently armed criminals prefer unarmed victims.”
Criminals obtain guns legally. Unless you believe that Colt, S&W, Glock, and the rest are selling guns out of the back door of their warehouses and risking prison time. In Detroit we bought our guns by getting somebody to get their permit to purchase and buying guns over the counter, registering them, taking off the serial numbers marking up the price and selling them, or going out of State to the south with very little gun laws and bringing them back. If you want to regulate illegal gun sells then regulate the LEGAL gun sales and we couldn’t have bought SHIT.
Facts matter when you’re informed.
Street guns are disposable. Nobody with any sense is going to carry around a weapon with multiple crimes on it or you with will either have to do time for something you didn’t do or snitch on somebody. Reduce the flow of new guns and you can reduce/dry up the illegal market.
Gun laws work. There are very few reported cases of FULLY automatic gun crimes in the US.
Because getting a fully automatic weapon is damn near impossible on the street or even legally.
They are too heavily regulated so the cost is too expensive. A semi-automatic AR-15 that you can buy at your local gun dealer with no bells and whistles starts at about $800.
Same weapon FULLY automatic is about $35,000 and up.
Machine Guns For Sale – GunBroker.com
The regulations on how to make a FULLY automatic weapon are such a close guarded trade secret that it’s virtually IMPOSSIBLE for even an experienced military trained armorer to modify one.
The San Bernardino shooters tried to modify their semi-automatic AR-15’s to automatic themselves and FAILED.
“The husband and wife responsible for killing 14 people in a shooting in San Bernardino this week tried to illegally modify a semi-automatic rifle to turn it into a machine gun, federal authorities said Friday.
A Smith & Wesson M&P15 found with the couple after a gun battle with police Wednesday was altered in an attempt to enable the weapon to be fired automatically, said Meredith Davis, a spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The modification is illegal under federal law, she said. Initial tests, she said, show that the modification did not work and the gun could not be fired automatically, Davis said. She said more tests were yet to be done.”
San Bernardino shooters tried to illegally modify rifle before rampage
REGULATIONS CAN WORK.
In 1995 there was a report done by the Bureau of justice to track what kind of guns are used in various crimes and various other findings.
US Department of Justice - Guns Used in Crime
I KNOW that this study was done over 20 years ago. As a matter of fact IN THE STUDY itself it says that they will update the number annually but this was the last one done.
Because right after this the NRA lobbied Congress and STOPPED RESEARCHING GUNS AND GUN CRIMES!
How The NRA Killed Federal Funding For Gun Violence Research
Then they issued this talking point:
Thomas Sowell wrote: “Nor does it make a dent on them when you point out evidence, from both sides of the Atlantic, that tightening gun-control laws does not reduce gun crimes, including murder. It is not uncommon for gun crimes to rise when gun-control laws are tightened. Apparently armed criminals prefer unarmed victims.”
So STOP the flow of information and we are going to talk about how it’s all a big mystery and we have no idea how criminals get guns so everybody should just go and buy guns.
The NRA has done MORE to harm African Americans in the last 20 years than the KKK. (see: ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws)
The NRA has ALWAYS been all about the free flow of guns except that ONE time…
Fear of a Black Gun Owner
Muhammad Rasheed - Abdur Rasheed wrote: "If rent was low would they have to set limits on how high the rent can be??"
The trend was that the wealthy would buy up the rent-controlled properties in those two cities, and over the last several decades, would hold onto it as legacy property. The controls discouraged new property building.
Abdur Rasheed - I can buy houses 3 for $1 in the D. I don't have any skin in that game. I've busted 2 out of 3 of his pet issues. I'm just going to call it on the third. He has a 66% bullshit rate without me fact checking his last one.
I'm just going to go ahead and NOT believe him.
Muhammad Rasheed - Abdur Rasheed wrote: "I can buy houses 3 for $1 in the D."
Detroit is not New York or San Francisco who have astronomically expensive real estate, and where the rents are controlled by gov regulations that benefit the wealthy alone instead of the poor they were intended to help.
And gun control isn't one of Sowell's pet issues. He only spoke on it because he has that regular Townhall column that he needs content for. It's easy to go on a rant for whatever the top trending top is of the hour are when you HAVE to produce content on a regular deadline. This obviously causes him to engage in the same negative behavior among the academic community he condemned in his autobiography, i.e., when academic scholars... who are by their nature intellectual specialists in very specific/limited fields... have a tendency to be very vocally opinionated outside of their well-researched fields. Except for those times when he summarizes the main thesis of one of his celebrated books for Townhall content, I generally skim through them with little interest, because he does often just coast on GOP stuff in those, just for the easy applause (especially when he brings up obama's name at all, which always leaves me irritated/annoyed). I'm not surprised you easily slapped the gun control topic out of his hand without breaking a sweat, but that topic isn't the reason I'm a fan of his work.
I'm not aware of the "other" pet issue of his you were supposed to have busted; I'll check out your Timeline to see if it's there. As an official challenge, I don't expect you to have a counter for his minimum wage argument, nor for his affirmative action one.
Abdur Rasheed - It seems like the rent is "controlled" by the market and capped by the local government.
Is that wrong?
Muhammad Rasheed - No, the control is referring to the government cap itself.
Abdur Rasheed - So if you're a property owner with a 20 unit building and 1 bed room apartments in the area used to go for $3000 a month but the government sets a limit of $2000 per month you're saying that the government is controlling the price wether than the owner of the property?