Sunday, June 25, 2017

Revisiting the Past at the Event Horizon of the Future

Andre Owens - Another loud mouth about to enter the matrix with Floyd Mayweather.

Kristopher Michael Mosby - This is what Conor and his fans wanted. Remember when Ricky Hatton shot off his mouth at Floyd?(look at the photographers).

Muhammad Rasheed - McGregor isn't his sparring partner, and boxing is exciting precisely because anything can happen in a fight. If the 'Tale of the Tape' was a 100% reliable indicator of who will win these things, then there wouldn't be betting odds on these events. Remember, Floyd is filthy rich and well pass his prime, while McGregor is a young & hungry kid. There is REAL danger here.

Don't get cocky.

William Satterwhite - I would agree with you if this were any other boxer other than Floyd- he is arguably the best ever at making sure the anything that can happen in a fight never happens to him.

Kristopher Michael Mosby - "When people ask me why I’ve released this footage now, it’s because it hurts me that there are guys like myself who have been devoted to this sport, risking our lives. And to see McGregor, who has zero knowledge of professional boxing, make it out like he could just get out of an octagon, step in the ring and beat up the best pound-for-pound fighter out there – to just make out like our lifestyle is so easy and that anybody could do it, and then for people to be saying he has a big chance of beating Floyd. I just thought, judge for yourself. Boxing is a completely different type of standup fighting to MMA, and 12 rounds is a hell of a long time. If you’ve never done it, you’re in for a rude awakening.” ~ Chris van Heerden, former IBO welterweight champion

Muhammad Rasheed - More than anything, I want Floyd to beat the crap out of McGregor the way he did Gatti, and end it with a devastating and humiliating knockout like he did Hatton. That would be an ideal outcome to me.

But realistically ANYTHING can happen. I don't want to see Anderson vs Weidman happen in there because of over-cockiness karma. van Heerden is correct technically speaking, but boxing is more than just technical. Surprises DO happen. The impossible happens all the time.

Andre Owens - Well, of course anything CAN happen. But is it probable that Floyd Mayweather, who is the best at avoiding punches, will get surprised? No.

Muhammad Rasheed - It's not probable, but no one knows the future. I just know that I'm nervous as shit. lol

Muhammad Rasheed - Let's just grab the 50-0 and stop coming out of fucking retirement!

Muhammad Rasheed - See the mob wouldn't let Marciano come out of retirement. That was the secret to his 49-0. They were more protective of it than he was.

That's how I feel about Floyd's "0."

Joseph L. Jefferson - This entire thing is a bit of a joke. McGregor needs to run his mouth to make the fight happen as his only real objective is to get paid. Floyd will make the fight happen and get paid royally as a boat load of people would love to see the big mouth black guy get put to the canvas by the big mouth white guy that oh by the way no one really seems to notice. At the end of the day, McGregor will get paid more than ever before and Floyd will cash in again. Maybe McGregor wins and then there will be a rematch. Then they all get paid again.

Muhammad Rasheed - It's not a joke, it's just a business deal. The cross-industry fans said they wanted to see it, and the players decided they wanted to give it to them. Supply & demand.

Muhammad Rasheed - The marketing/promotion aspect does come across as funny, but the people already said they wanted to see it, so neither really has to take the hype too far.

Joseph L. Jefferson - @Muhammad Rasheed... but does would any real "objective" observing believe that McGregor has a chance.

Muhammad Rasheed - The 'Tale of the Tape' says McGrogor doesn't have a chance at all, but the same measurement objectively said that Foreman would kill Ali in Zaire. So...

Muhammad Rasheed - Fights often don't come out the way we think they will. The 'Tale of the Tape' said that Michael Moore would retain his title over Foreman, too.

Muhammad Rasheed - The 'Tale of the Tape' didn't mention Tyson liked a side of Georgian ear with his fight meals.

Joseph L. Jefferson - @Muhammad Rasheed... Floyd is smarter than Moore. His style and defensive skill should keep him out of harms way. I really doubt that McGregor will force the issue. I don't see McGregor hitting any harder than Shane Mosely so I cannot see any real danger for Floyd.

Muhammad Rasheed - To me, the biggest danger is Floyd's age versus McGregor's age. That's where the true 'scary unknown' part lies with me.

Muhammad Rasheed - If they were both 20 somethings, or both 40 somethings, I could relax more.

Jason Villena - They (the people making money and everything Las Vegas) have learned from the mistakes and will not make this feud go more than 5 years like it did with Floyd and Manny; and maybe draw this into a 2 out of 3 feud over the next 2 years. After the lackluster prom dance fight of Manny and Floyd, the goal is to be the highest draw PPV/contest, ever. And who better to make it happen than the 2 biggest shit talkers in 2 different sports.

For maximum $$$, Floyd wins 1st meet, Connor wins 2nd meet (but with some "controversy" aka DQ or "devastating" hit to the nuts or KOs Floyd with elbow or submission move), Floyd wins the 3rd and final meet. Floyd can have the loss because he's "retired" but for sure everyone will make money while both Floyd and Connor have their physical abilities and that the hype is still there. Notice no one talks about a rematch with Floyd and Manny.

Muhammad Rasheed - The only reason it took so long for Mayweather vs Pacquiao to happen, is because Pacquiao's camp refused to believe that Floyd was the boss of his side of the deal. They treated him as "just a fighter" instead of the main principle they had to negotiate with. The fight was made when they finally wised up.

Jason Villena - Hmm. Well, it seemed like all the way from 5 years out to within a year of the finalized contract of the Floyd vs Manny fight, Manny's camp was making the concessions to make the fight happen and TMT did everything to drag their feet to delay the contest. Manny's camp got to the point of saying things like, "Whatever he wants. Let's just make the fight for the people." and Floyd still wanted more concessions. Even Floyd's friend, Stephen A. Smith on-air said, "Floyd is ducking Manny." But, it was smart on Floyd's part. Why fight someone in their prime, when you can fight it on your terms because you're the champ (and huge moneymaker for MGM and Las Vegas). After the Manny vs. Floyd fight they could have had a rematch for Mayweather's last fight to tie Marciano against a possibly healthy Manny (sans broken rotator cuff). But, Floyd and Vegas went with Beto (someone who lost his last 3 fights to fighters that lost to Floyd in previous contests) to end the career instead of a rematch against Manny. But, at that point Vegas was pretty much done with Manny as a money draw and washed their hands of him.

The point is: What's going to make maximum money for Vegas and all the people involved? UFC, Floyd, Connor and Vegas came up with this. And it may just make more $$$ than the Pacquiao vs Mayweather PPV because of hype and crossover.

Muhammad Rasheed - The "seems" was only an illusion, fueled by nonsense propaganda out of the Pacquiao camp. It wasn't real.

Jason Villena - Really? Look up "Floyd ducking Manny". And click on the link that has Stephen A. Smith. The same guy that is Floyd's friend and who backed him up (and was a pooh-pooher on Manny and his camp before that interview). And there are many links to go to but, Stephen A. Smith is my end all catch all.

But, there are also links where Mayweather himself gets asked specifically about facing Manny and he either ignores the question or just blows up at the person asking the question. I'm not talking about what came out of Manny or his camp. I'm specifically talking about Floyd and his reactions/words. And this is years before the fight contact got signed. But, you'll hear/remember the concessions Manny made during the Stephen A. Smith link.

Illusions...let's talk about Floyd's last fight before retiring to tie Marciano. Why didn't he want a rematch with Manny (sans broken rotator cuff)? Why go with Beto? A fighter who lost his last 3 fights to fighters that lost to Floyd. He might as well have fought Helen Keller to tie Marciano. Not really much suspense in that contest to prove who will win between Mayweather vs. Beto. But, hey, he tied the record. There's no disputing that fact.

But, I get it. Vegas wants to make a lot of guaranteed money. Hence, the unprecedented UFC/boxing crossover. And they had a favorite in Floyd. And now, who better to have a match-up than the old favorite son (Floyd) fighting with the new favorite son (Connor)? It will be interesting to see if this contest eclipses the Manny vs. Floyd contest, in regards to money being made.

Muhammad Rasheed - Yes, really. All that "ducking" talk was only ever nonsense. The people had no idea what was really going on behind the scenes (and didn't really care since biz negotiations aren't as exciting as the shit they preferred to make up), and the crap Pacquiao's promoters were saying was often discovered to be blatant lies designed to vilify Floyd and make their guy the good guy. lol I don't need to look that stuff up; l remember those annoying ass discussions happening in real time. I'm not particularly keen on reliving that era. All I care about is that when it finally DID go down, my fighter won.

The Berto fight was the last event scheduled on his 6-fight Showtime contract. It doesn't seem as diabolical and shady as you're trying to make it, considering Berto won the WBA interim welterweight title just six months before in his previous fight. But if you want to make it some kind of crazy conspiracy theory, then go ahead. Floyd didn't care about a rematch with Pacquiao because of the injured shoulder shenanigans, in which he tried to blame Floyd for his own poor performance. Floyd didn't feel his behavior was worthy of another high payday event and he snubbed him. I 100% agreed.

The fans said they want to see this 'Great White Hope' match to finally blemish Floyd's outstanding record, and the two combatants are willing to give it to them. Supply & demand... basic economics. They wouldn't do it if the dollars didn't make sense. It's just business. The strength of the celebrity alone will bring the people out, and get pay-per-view slots sold. That's all.

Jason Villena - Muhammad wrote: "The "seems" was only an illusion, fueled by nonsense propaganda out of the Pacquiao camp. It wasn't real."

And I pointed out to you a person who is not from Pacquiao's camp; who also believed Mayweather was the better fighter and was stating HIS opinion about Mayweather, despite having a personal friendship with him for years. I assure you Stephen A. Smith is a "real" respected journalist that was not part of the Pacquiao camp. But, I just wanted to show you that you stating that it was ALL nonsense propaganda from Pacquiao and company is simply just not true.

And I'm not making the fight with Berto sinister or shady. I'm just stating facts, like the Stephen A. Smith assessment clip. But, maybe it's because I believe in the transitive theory in algebra.

If a=b, and b=c, then a=c.

If Berto lost 3 fights (a=b)

And Mayweather beat those SAME 3 fighters in the past (b=c)

Berto will lose to Mayweather (a=c)

This "contest" was to get Mayweather to tie Marciano's record and a guaranteed win bet on Mayweather. I don't know of anyone betting on Berto, even when offered 100/1 odds. Because a Mayweather victory was a big win (guaranteed money) for Vegas and all involved including TMT, people who bet on Mayweather AND Mayweather gets to tie Marciano's everyone wins, if you were the above mentioned. I guess I would have preferred another fighter that would have been a better challenger (at least not a fighter who lost to the same 3 fighters that the champion disposed of decisively in the past) to solidify Floyd's dominance, but then all the aforementioned could have potentially lost big time. And to come this far...that was not going to happen.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it's business. On that, I think we can agree on. It's the 2 biggest shit talkers from 2 different sports that finally got the approval of Las Vegas to make money in this unprecedented crossover...just as long as Sin City gets its cut.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol Friendship or not, Stephen A. Smith also revealed his opinion wasn't worth the pixels it was recorded on. The "seems" never stopped being an illusion.

And yes, the sport of boxing is 99% business, 01% athleticism.

Berto won his previous two fights, which included his attaining the WBA interim welterweight title. That also made it business, because Floyd was required to fight who the accrediting bodies said he needed to fight in order to maintain the hold over his own titles. Everyone Floyd fought was of a lesser caliber than he was, so your point is moot. He had to fight somebody, so why NOT the WBA interim welterweight title holder? lol

Muhammad Rasheed - Actually, considering Berto had lost relatives during the Haitian earthquake, and the fight with Floyd provided the challenger with a career high $4million payout, the champion may have given him that fight in order to help him personally.

Jason Villena - Ah. So, you admit that Smith was not of the Pacquiao camp AND Smith said that Floyd was ducking Manny. All the ducking propaganda didn't solely come from the Pacquiao camp.

And I'm curious, could you give me the source of where Smith "revealed his opinion wasn't worth the pixels it was recorded on."

Floyd had to fight somebody, yes. So why not a rematch with Pacquiao without the torn rotator cuff? I'm going out on a limb that the PPV money alone that would be taken in with a rematch against a healthy Pacquiao would have been a bigger draw because of the possibility of Mayweather being denied to tie Marciano's record.

And that's very benevolent for Floyd to give Berto a shot and the career high payout. However, Floyd could have given Berto $4 million dollars to help him and his family, have the rematch, beaten Manny and everyone would have made more money. Not to mention bragging rights that Floyd beat a healthy Manny and gave him the chance at a rematch, and Manny still lost.

As you stated, Boxing is 99% business. And TMT thought that going up against Berto was a better business decision than a rematch with Pacquiao. And probably a safer bet (for Vegas and TMT) to not have Floyd's goal to tie Marciano's record jeopardized. Even you stated that "Surprises do happen. The impossible happens all the time." And what a catastrophe it would have been for Floyd (and his goal to tie Marciano's record), TMT and Las Vegas, if his last fight was a defeat to a healthy Pacquiao.

But, it's a moot point. Floyd closed the chapter on Manny as soon as the decision was made public to make Berto his last fight in the attempt to tie Marciano's record.

Muhammad Rasheed - Jason Villena wrote: "All the ducking propaganda didn't solely come from the Pacquiao camp."

Any and everything that sounds like "Not ALL cops! Not ALL white people!" that pretends to be 'smart' or intellectual in anyway is instantly balled up and tossed into the trash. FYI. Hyperbole is a normal and accepted part of human discourse. You need to catch up.

Sure. Any and everything you saw/read in which Smith claimed that Floyd was "ducking" anybody. That was the sound of Smith's credibility flushing down the loo.

Because Pacquiao tore his ass behaving like a spoiled child with zero integrity at the end of that fight. Why would he deserve another big payout after that performance? No. He would have lost anyway since he proved he didn't have the tools to force Floyd to fight his way. It would have been a waste of time, hence the disappointment from the confused casual fandom.

Giving Andre Berto... the boxer... a chance to put on a good show in front of the world... as a boxer... was more valuable to the challenger than just handing him the $4 mil. Potentially it could have taken him further and enabled his star to rise.

Pacquiao was healthy in that fight. The shoulder injury was a lie. He just wanted to get doped up on that bs so he could power through those shots again. Psh.

Muhammad Rasheed -  (i said i was not interested in reliving that old floyd vs pacman shit, didn't i? lol)

*putting that shit back on like a jacket*

Jason Villena - "Any and everything that sounds like "Not ALL cops! Not ALL white people!" that pretends to be 'smart' or intellectual in anyway is instantly balled up and tossed into the trash. FYI. Hyperbole is a normal and accepted part of human discourse. You need to catch up."

Woah. Woah. I'm just responding to the part you stated that it was propaganda crap from the Pacquiao camp. And I'm just stating there were other people outside of the Pacquiao camp that was saying the same thing. I just picked Smith because he also was a friend of Floyd's. But, there were quite a few people that were saying the same thing about ducking that are not as famous and not a personal friend of Mayweather. Please don't project.

"Sure. Any and everything you saw/read in which Smith claimed that Floyd was "ducking" anybody. That was the sound of Smith's credibility flushing down the loo."

Again, it's not just Smith. Roy Jones Jr had said it. There are regular people boxing fans that had also expressed that opinion.

"Because Pacquiao tore his ass behaving like a spoiled child with zero integrity at the end of that fight. Why would he deserve another big payout after that performance? No. He would have lost anyway since he roved he didn't have the tools to force Floyd to fight his way. It would have been a waste of time, hence the disappointment from the confused casual fandom."

And we'll never know because Floyd chose Andre over a rematch with Manny.

"Giving Andre Berto... the boxer... a chance to put on a good show in front of the world... as a boxer... was more valuable to the challenger than just handing him the $4 mil. Potentially it could have taken him further and enabled his star to rise."

Absolutely. If he beat Mayweather. Absolutely. But, the betting public confidence wasn't high in the fact that Andre lost his last 3 fights to the same 3 fighters that Floyd beat decisively...Yeah, not much suspense that Floyd was going to lose against Andre.

"Pacquiao was healthy in that fight. The shoulder injury was a lie. He just wanted to get doped u on that bs so he could power through those shots. Psh."

Ok. That takes a lot of pull to be able to make a story up about surgery on an injury that doesn't exist and sell it to/fool everyone in the medical, boxing and gossip/media community. LOL.

And yes, you put that shit back on like a jacket.

Holy crap! It's 3 in the morning! Muhammad Rasheed, as much as I've enjoyed this discussion about what could have been and what didn't happen...I'd like to get some sleep. I'm sure we will rehash this conversation when it gets closer to the Floyd vs. Connor contest. Good night.

Remember to take off the jacket before you sleep.  ;)

Muhammad Rasheed - Jason Villena wrote: "Woah. Woah. I'm just responding to the part you stated that it was propaganda crap from the Pacquiao camp."

I know. Hence the "hyperbole" response. The random casual fans who were also repeating that crap weren't in Pacquiao's camp either, yes? Did you somehow believe I meant them, too? lol

Jason Villena wrote: "Roy Jones Jr had said it."

So? Was he in on the negotiations? All he knew was his own experiences, which were far less lucrative than Floyd's own from that side of the table. His opinion was colored by the same fallacy that colored that of the Pacquiao camp since he didn't know anything else, and didn't have a metric to measure Floyd's unique positioning by. Everyone assumed Floyd was just another fighter who was being handled by a gang of suits just like everybody else. Even Dana White thought that way, too, until recently. The fight was able to happen once everyone wised up. Everyone who are STILL saying Floyd was 'ducking' anybody have not yet wised up. Period.

Jason Villena wrote: "And we'll never know because Floyd chose Andre over a rematch with Manny."

If you're a student of boxing at all, you knew when watching that fight. Pacquiao revealed he wasn't in Floyd's league, just as we all really knew. "Butthurt" is a hell of a drug though. Let it go. No serious students of the sport are going on and on demanding a rematch. Manny would get peppered with shots while punching at the air in a return bout, too.

You continuing to go on and on about what the "betting public" thought/wants/thinks or what have you, lacks interest, Jason. I'm sure Floyd was well aware that Berto wouldn't be a super draw, and he was still cool with it. He finished out his Showtime contract and met his obligations. *shrug* His legacy is secure. Please note that Marciano didn't have 49 SUPER FIGHTS OF THE CENTURY!!!! in his portfolio either. lol If Manny really wanted to be in that slot then he should have acted like he wanted to be. The experts pointed out that he came into the fight without a gameplan, thinking to just go after Floyd, catch him easy, and put him away. In other words, he believed in his own hype (which was fantasy) instead of Floyd Mayweather's pound-per-pound hype (which was real).

Jason Villena wrote: "Ok. That takes a lot of pull to be able to make a story up..."

Pacquiao's camp had both the pull and the bribe money resources to pull it off. This is boxing, Jason. Grow up. He'll make a "full recovery" like your article link claimed because he wasn't damn hurt. This was just a show since his lie meant he had an undisclosed injury prior to the fight. He could either severely lose face and take back the lie, or pretend he really needed surgery. Neither Pacquiao nor his shitty camp have ever shown integrity thus far, so here we are.

Jason Villena wrote: "And yes, you put that shit back on like a jacket."

Just when I think I'm out of the game they keep pulling me back in!!!

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Saturday, June 24, 2017

The 8th Virtue

Muhammad Rasheed - [VIDEO] The history of American Chinese Restaurants mimics the principle that enabled 'jim crow' era Blacks to become wealthy using segregation as a tool.

"Black Wall Street blossomed in the Greenwood District of Tulsa, as 'jim crow' segregation laws created a system which kept money from leaving the community. African-Americans, by law, could not shop in white-owned businesses, so every imaginable Black Business -- from groceries and clothiers to hospitals and theaters -- became immensely profitable."

Note that it wasn't the segregation that harmed the Blacks and Chinese, but the Economic Exclusion from the free open markets of the greater society. The closed in markets in which their money only benefited themselves was a form of cartel/monopoly, and like all monopolies it made them wealthy to the exclusion of others. But legal, systemic racism prevented them from leveraging that limited, community-level success and power into a nation-wide economic and political freedom.

So even though forced segregation was bad, it was still better than Integration (see: Philando Castile, Sandra Bland, etc.), which is clearly an evil tactic designed to strip you of power. Segregation, particularly when it is voluntary, is a self-empowerment/wealth-building tool towards actual freedom. ANYONE telling you that segregation is somehow inherently wrong and "should never be an option" is either an agent of your enemy, or the devil itself.

Please note that the most economically successful ethnic group famously uses segregation as both a mark of identity, and as a powerful wealth/power building apparatus that helps them fund whatever they dream of accomplishing to their sole benefit.

A Long Overdue Cleansing of the Earth

Muhammad Rasheed - I swear my allegiance to Allah, who is no less than the One God of Abraham. It is He who created Adam from scratch, who told Noah to build the ark, who commanded Moses to remove his sandals on holy ground, who delivered the Christ Jesus from his enemies, and anointed Muhammad as the Seal of the Prophethood! Glory be to He! In His name did the believers of olde draw swords in defense of their right to worship the One God as was their duty! I will do no less as I am true in faith and freedom is my birthright! How could it not be as I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger!

The Euro-ethnic has a tendency to vilify anything he perceives as a threat to his global dominance. The “Muslim World” is a villain because those nations have dared resist Euro-Imperialist subjugation, and you fear that they will somehow regroup and pick up the legendary expansionism of the Faith’s early history where they left off, and manage to overcome you. In addition, you fear that this nightmare scenario will provide an opportunity for the frequently pro-Islamic Black American… who has been the traditional face of the Euro-ethnic’s savage atrocities… to take a long overdue revenge for wrongs both old and new out of your oily hides. The root cause of your vilification of Islam is the fear you will lose your precious monopoly of power that you have conquered and slaughtered so many to attain. As a Black American Muslim I watch you squirm under the fear of this karmic nightmare scenario with interest, having culturally borne witness to your historical wrongs from my dual identity. So when I mix ‘race’ with ‘religion’ in these posts from a seemingly similar place, it’s only because my vision penetrates you deep from two directions at once.

Bakkah Rasheed-Shabazz
- Teach!

Dee Anne Moore
- an old white woman who grew up watching the swirling and dancing of philosophies that religions are molded from, I found my own awakening when I began to study and learn from Joseph Campbell as he explored others' beliefs and rituals far beyond those spawned and practiced in the middle east...the three Abrahamic beliefs...Judaism, Christianity and Islam...all branches of the same tree.
The world is much larger and always has been. Just because the aggressiveness of the middle east spread the Abrahamic beliefs, does not mean that there have always been and will continue to be other interpretations of our existence on this incredible, tiny orb drifting in the vastness of space. I see religion as being a person's own need to simplify a desire to understand why we are... I have experienced many 'mysteries' that seem real vibrant. For those who need an explanation for these life events that are wondrous and mystical, I except that need to be theirs and for them, urgent. It would seem that a great preponderance of humanity needs clear, simplification of the whys and how s and who's... and for many, perhaps even most homo sapiens, this is true. Cults and beliefs are universally embraced among cultures.
Some of the 'beliefs' seem beautiful and harmless while some are grotesque and do great harm.
The population of the planet is ever expanding and so are the hard held beliefs that are part of various groups.
The expansion seems to result in collisions that seem not to make any real sense because none of these beliefs are able to be proven...They are believed by 'faith'... which is a personal agreement that what one believes is valid..

You are part of a beautiful family with strong beliefs. I have come to appreciate and admire the love and kindness that you all express. Regardless of any differences in our 'personal' beliefs or non-beliefs, I am happy to be within the friendship circle... My daughter photographed this beautiful Monarch feeding upon a Milkweed plant... Living in the moment..
I would choose to be in the moment as well...

Muhammad Rasheed - Are you trying to calm me down from battle mode using butterfly pics and rambling free-style poetry...?

Dee Anne Moore - Well, yeh...sorta!!

Dee Anne Moore -

Dee Anne Moore - and a soothing song!

Muhammad Rasheed
- Stop. War is more cleansing than putting up with continuing race-based abuses, and sticking my head in the sand for another few centuries.

Dee Anne Moore - But creating an aura of neutrality...well, it can neutralize the effect of the race baiting... Bill Reed is on fire right now ...he is rightly and justifiably enraged by the police assassinations of people who are black in our society...
Mu, I am friends of a young black man who has been in prison for many years ...since his teens ...(He's in for life which is a step down from his original sentence of execution for being involved in a murder that he did not actually pull the trigger...)
My good friends (one is a retired minister of the Unitarian Universal Church and the other is my 'sister' from another mother and father..his wife) have ministered and befriend him and his family over the years.. I met him through them. When I was pres. of the Indy peace group we published a paper and a few times, I was able to publish some of his writing in that paper.
I would like to share a new writing he put on face book. His name is Phillip Stroud... I hope you might enjoy reading.. (btw...the butterfly and the milkweed are both expressions of life's longing to exist... a powerful statement..elegant and simple.. Their life seems brief but 'briefness' is relative...

Here is Phillip's latest offering... I hope you appreciate what this one young person's life is worth..

Phillip Stroud with Zolo Azania and 91 others.
March 20

A Letter to My Thirteen-Year-Old Self

"Dear Phil,
This is yourself writing to you from the future. Please listen very carefully to what I’m about to say. Right now, you are headed nowhere fast. Skippin’ school, getting’ high and drunk, runnin’ the streets for days, sometimes weeks at a time, in and out of juvenile detention, gang bangin’, and slangin’ crack cocaine. You’re thirteen years old right now, but in ten years, you’ll be in a cold empty cell on Indiana’s death row, facing execution by lethal injection.Three years after that, you’ll be on lockdown at a maximum-security prison, serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole for a crime that you didn't commit.
I know that your father has been in and out of prison your entire life and you two don’t have any type of relationship. That’s NOT your fault, so please stop blaming yourself! He ‘bout to get out real soon and this time he gone stay out, because he wants to save you from yourself. He don’t want you to get killed on the streets like so many of your dawgs have already. Forgive him for not being there when you were a little boy. Listen to him and spend as much time as you can with him because he ain’t got long to live.
His daughter, your little sister, may not live in the same home as you and your little brother, but she IS YOUR SISTER! Family is everything! Get to know her, and treat her like the princess that she is. Listen to her. Protect her. Don’t you ever hurt her or allow anyone else to hurt her.
Please spend more time with your little brother—he needs you and looks up to you. Don’t be jealous just because his pops ain’t locked up and comes around every blue moon. I know that you still like playing Contra and Mike Tyson’s Punchout with him on Nintendo. And y’all used to always watch Thunder Cats and all the other good cartoons on Saturday mornings until you decided to start leaving him at home alone so that you could chase girls and hang wit your homies. Nobody wants to feel like their brother doesn’t care about them, and you’ll feel the same way that he feels right now if you don’t give him the love and attention that he wants, needs, and deserves. Your little brother should be your best friend and your sidekick. Make it happen!
I know that you don’t like being at the crib because Ma’s boyfriends and her husband ain’t nothin’ but snakes, in your opinion. You think that she loves your dope fiend stepdad more than she loves you. It makes you feel like you ain’t good enough, like you’re invisible. Man, you and your brother matter more to your mother than you understand, more than you realize, more than you believe. She loves you more than ANYTHING or ANYBODY else in this world! It’s just hard for her to express it all the time because she’s caught up in a cycle of abuse with a man that she’s in love with. He’s in a lot of pain and she’s trying to save him from the same drugs that you’re out there selling. Speaking of selling drugs—PLEASE STOP NOW!—as in right now! Because if you don’t, you’re gonna end up with fifty more years in prison for selling 1.5 grams of crack cocaine to an undercover cop within 1000 yards of a school that was closed for the summer. This sh*t is real out here! Trust me, I know.
Some days you wake up and it feels like a dark heavy cloud has you pinned down and won’t let you get out of bed, so you just give up and sleep the day away. That’s called depression. That cloud will only get darker and heavier, so let somebody know what’s goin’ on. You don’t have to be afraid or ashamed to ask for help. It doesn’t make you weak, just like jumpin’ on strangers who come thru the hood, or bullying and teasing kids at school doesn’t make you strong. Remember how kids in elementary school teased you for having holes in your shoes and laughed at your socks sticking out the front of them? They called you nappy head and pig nose. I know that it hurts you to hear me say that to you now, just like it hurt me to hear it back then. Words DO hurt, so stop treating other kids how you were treated. You, those kids, and most of our parents have been taught to believe that everything about being “black” is bad, including—no, ESPECIALLY—how we look. That is a lie! The truth is: You are really a prince with the spirit of a warrior and the mind of an architect. Phil, you are so talented! You can flow just as good, if not better than your favorite rappers! You can draw, dance, cut hair, and you’re funny. On top of all that, you’re smart as h*ll. Remember how fun it was to be a part of the Quiz Bowl team when you were in the 5th grade? That’s who you really are! You’re a natural born leader but you don’t have the courage to lead people in the right direction. You’re just following the crowd, goin’ with the flow, tryin’ to be everybody but yourself. You’re better than that.
Dude, your uncle is a lawyer, and he came from the same family and the same hood as you. Working hard for the things that you want and going to school doesn’t make you a sellout or mean that you’re trying to “act white.” Let him guide you and teach you how to be a real man. And when you’re blessed to become a husband and father, give all the love that you have inside you, because love is shown more than it is spoken. You feel me? Someone once said, “The greatest ability is availability,” so be there for your family and friends. And love what you do. Life is hard, but it’s still worth living. Life is not to be taken or wasted—it is precious! Never forget that. I love you."

Always, Me
Phillip Stroud #932249
4490 W. Reformatory Rd.
Pendleton,IN 46064

Muhammad Rasheed - "But creating an aura of neutrality...well, it can neutralize the effect of the race baiting..."

Do you believe such an 'aura' would have prevented that kid from spending those years in prison, or prevent Jeff Sessions' efforts to make sure he and like kinds rot in there?

Only a righteous anger fueled physical war will fix it, Dee. Every other method has been tried, and they counter by doubling down on their evil. People like that only respond to seeing their own blood soak into the dirt.

Dee Anne Moore - Sometimes I think I have more faith in love and the power of the unseen than any of my friends who profess faith in the unseen. The butterfly will die.. it will simply travel thousands of miles...mate, lay eggs, and die... We know that is not the end of the story...but for that one adult butterfly...that came into being through a complete is the point where it will leave the 'being' and become part of the earth or another creature's lunch..
Like a song that is heard...touches one's heart...causes a swelling of emotion ...but the sound moves off and gone...
The child huddled in the dust of the bombed building ...bombed by someone who sits in judgement, hand able to execute the mission and drop the bomb and move the evil song that no matter who it is intended to be sung matter who it is supposed to hurt or helps no one. and the child stays trembling and huddling in the dust and debris sobbing for a mother or brother or father or sister that is no longer..
At this point in my 'poetry' Mu, the swelling in my throat and the knot in my stomach reminds me that along with my a visceral hatred of my species...Will the innocent child grow to love and give to life or will it grow with hatred and wish to use violence and pain to make its own pain stop...
Neutrality is a safe zone ...that is available for those of us with the luxury of being able to keep at a distance from the dust and debris physically...
It is a choice to preserve sanity... From an emotional distance that affords the ability to think remember that there is a unspoken order...that the order is out of balance and what will it take to restore order. Was there ever order Mu? Is it possible that we are such a flawed species..with all the ability but little of the knowing?
Having a choice is a luxury in this world.
If our essence travels beyond our being as the sound of the song...longer after the singer is gone..long after the dust settles and the child's crying is carried off into the wind... long after the earth is just another cinder in the dark void...
Could, perhaps, the sounds of love and hope be the essence of a new world to be?
Or will the sounds of anger and violence be the building energy of the next ...?
Phillip described what could have kept him from being a 'lifer' in prison...he became a victim of the stronger voices of violence of the streets... That is why I choose to try and keep the voice of love stronger... Perhaps with the help of others, his healing has given him a healing voice..and perhaps his healing voice will reach another child who then will validate Phillip's power to making the changes in others.. the cycle of the Monarch...

Muhammad Rasheed
- Dee wrote: "Sometimes I think I have more faith in love and the power of the unseen than any of my friends who profess faith in the unseen."

You're being silly. God has very specific instructions for how humans are to treat each other, and how to deal with those who have completely given over to their lusts to the detriment of others is indeed a part of that instruction.

Naturally I would expect you to be more merciful to your own kind, but they are the ones who have waged war upon me for money, and lack your compassion for me. 500 years later, i find your efforts to get me to soften my heart for my dedicated enemy to be out of line, ma'am.

Stand down.

Dee Anne Moore - "Naturally I would expect you to be more merciful to your own kind, but they are the ones who have waged war upon me for money, and lack your compassion for me."

I cannot believe that you from what I have written you deduced that I actually have any sympathy for what is the true history of the white man. My own kind??? What is my own kind Muhammad? I try to find heroes and villains. It is easy to break it down to the European whites and their constant greed and quest for power and wealth. I very well know the history of this country...of how the wealth and power was built on the backs of and at the expense of the African who was brought here in shackles...bought and sold and bred like livestock.. I look around and know that the capitalist system that is embraced by so many is protected by those who created it ...and for the purpose of sustaining their own.... I will not excuse any actions that did or do create the inequality that permeates this world. I know the score... Know it well Mu.
With the help of the media and the organizations I have been part of for the past 40 years ...the friends and acquaintances that bring the world from afar to us... to the streets that I know well.. the prejudice and bigotry...racist rants and unbearably evil the unjust laws that are still trying to make slavery legal... post the 1860's...peonage... still... even look at stupid laws like jay-walking... Who actually thinks that is not a racist carry over to fill the white man's for profit prison.. I know Muhammed and I do not give mercy to the white man. I am not blind to the reality that being born white is being privileged. ...that being anything in this world other than being white and Christian is a disadvantage in the eyes of the whites.. I is like not ever being able to have membership in a club because you are either white or a club because you are not white..
I want a better world for your children...for you my grandchildren...I know that my desire to be accepted will fall on deaf ears ...that being of the 'manor born'... no matter how matter how many years I spend caring and helping and trying.. it will not wash the white from me in the eyes of those who are not white...except for my family members who are black or Latino...
I must sound naive because I do not think there is a big ethnic club that awaits us after we die and we all are sorted and labeled and sent off to the group that we resembled when we were human beings.

Dee Anne Moore -I am afraid of violent revolution. I see no where...anywhere that give evidence that life was made better by violence. On the other hand, I don't see much evidence that Mohandas Gandhi's world has sustained peace either. Your Mom is tireless. Being a woman myself, I find her inspirational...

Muhammad Rasheed - Dee Anne Moore wrote: "I cannot believe that you from what I have written you deduced that I actually have any sympathy for what is the true history of the white man."

How else am I to take that? You're trying to calm me down, and turn me away from literally the only thing that will stop the diabolical Monster of Legend from continuing his subjugation/terrorizing/exploitation of my people. There is way too much money on the table for him to stop on his own. Do you like me forced into the role of his slave? Do you enjoy watching his White Supremacist goons kill me just because they have the State-sanctioned authority to do so? No? Then turn away as I fight, please. Turn your face away lest the creature's blood splashes into your eyes.

Dee Anne Moore wrote: "I am afraid of violent revolution."

Fear Allah instead, and fight in His cause to cleanse the earth of evil and restore Peace. Do this in God's Name and you will have no need to fear, nor shall you grieve. A promise from the Lord of the worlds.

Dee Anne Moore wrote: "anywhere that give evidence that life was made better by violence"

The prophet Muhammad and the early Muslim community were relentlessly assaulted by the pagan Meccans who desperately sought to wipe the believers off the map because they feared the growing monotheism message would cause a drop in their pilgrimage revenue if it caught on. They also refused to listen to reason and only their blood purified the land and MADE IT BETTER. #TheLessonsOfHistory

Dee Anne Moore - @Mu... Can you visualize what this world is supposed to look like as a result of a global 'revolution'...? Will there be 'winners and losers'...or some sort of peaceful co-existence whereby all can exercise freely their beliefs?
Please describe for me the vision you hold?

Muhammad Rasheed - Currently the players are The Bad Guy and his victims. The goal of the revolution is to topple The Bad Guy from power -- SMASH him so that he is unable to recover, to live in cowering hiding spots for at least the same amount of time he terrorized the globe (assuming he manages to survive the smashing at all) -- and for the victims to rebuild in peace. They will build a new world with the memory of what The Bad Guy did as a warning to all, with laws put in place to guard against such evil ever returning.

Muhammad Rasheed

Friday, June 23, 2017

He Tells You to Stay Down. It's Time to Stand Up.

I notice that you only pull out your Big Guns of Righteous Outrage™ whenever something worthlessly harmless happens, like when some racist jackass says the word "nlgger", or some other ignorant racist twat suggests that you only dominate in sports because you were bred that way in slavery. Oddly you never get that furious in the face of real and blatant racism, but instead cower and whimper... "I'm so tired! Please let's stop sharing these videos. Let's just stop talking about this and rest. It stings my feels so bad." Who isn't aware of "Sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me?" How do you get that backwards? It's embarrassing. I'm going to need you to reverse the order of these responses, and stop demonstrating to the whole world that you are soft as cake, and you've gotten into the habit of allowing your dedicated enemy to push you around anytime he wants. Stop it.

I realize that being a soldier isn't for everyone, but you can at least stop being an impotent wet noodle, shuffling around avoiding the enemy's gaze, yes?

Stand the fuck up. Thanks.

Monday, June 19, 2017

The Shadow Left

Ron Wiseman - Who will you supposedly support in the 2020 US presidential election? Do you know?

This might blow your mind. I really am hoping that the Democratic party will regain my affiliation—I left the party (#DemExit) over Hillary Clinton cheating Bernie Sanders out of the nomination. If Bernie runs, of course I’ll support him, I wouldn’t care if he’s 100 years old. Otherwise...

I’d like to support Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) for the Democratic nomination.

Muhammad Rasheed - To be fair, Hillary didn’t “cheat” Sanders. He was an outsider that tried to usurp their party for his own agenda (the same way Ron Paul tried to usurp the GOP back in 2008) and they fought back. They had a right to defend against a hostile takeover.

Ron Wiseman - They cheated. Loud and proud. That’s why they’re being sued.

Bernie is a Democrat the same way Patrick Leahy is a Democrat. Neither of them are registered Democrats because in Vermont there’s no party registration. Both of them “caucus” with the Democrats and both of them support and raise funds for Democrats in the same way. They both vote the same pretty much all the time.

The only difference is that Leahy describes himself as a Democrat and Sanders describes himself as an independent, but that’s the only difference.

I agree that the DNC could have denied Sanders the nomination—it was their right to do that. But they gave him permission to run as a Democrat and they told us all it would be a fair and evenhanded process. Based on that, we donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the Sanders campaign.

The DNC rigged the system while taking our money. That’s fraud by every legal definition.

Muhammad Rasheed - Ron, you wasted 159 words just to admit what I said was true: Sanders did NOT consider himself a Democrat. He was a manipulative outsider who attempted — like Ron Paul before him — to usurp the party for his own agenda. Nice try using the actual proudly self-proclaimed Democrat Leahy as a flashy deception tool to wave around in my face though, and all while charging others of cheating. You must be of Russian stock, wot? ;)

Friday, June 16, 2017

Solving Clayborn

In early June of 1997, in what now seems like a forever ago, I remember actively solving a problem. In my first, humble but official ‘art job’ after college I found myself struggling to capture the likeness of beautiful women.

As a new Kaman’s Art Shoppes caricature artist working at Cedar Point Amusement park in Sandusky, Ohio, I had already completed the 2-week orientation/training, and was actually doing pretty well pulling customers and getting back positive feedback. Except for that one thing:

“Do you think THAT looks like me? I don’t think that looks like me.”

“Oh, I’m not paying for that. You weren’t even looking at me.”

“Uhhh… who is THAT supposed to be???”

My issue was that I would go into a google-eyed, quasi-drooling daze whenever a beautiful woman would sit in my customer seat, like I was a sex-starved nerd in one of those teen exploitation movies like Porkies, or American Pie. Naturally this would prevent me from focusing in on the technical structure of the face necessary for achieving anything like the “likeness” needed for a successful cartoon portrait. It was also causing a significant blow to my artistic ego.

Fortunately there was an easy fix. All I had to do was draw a lot of beautiful women until I would get used to the feeling, and eventually get past the stomach butterflies or whatever. Or better yet, target one particular beautiful woman and convince her to allow me to draw her a million times until I’d worked pass the artist’s block.

I knew just the one I wanted to ask.

Kaman’s Art Shoppes kept us in the park in company-provided housing. The dormitory I stayed in (the name of it has long since left me), had a security desk that required all who entered to scan in their employee identification card. Often manning the desk during the night shift, there was this gorgeous young woman who always took my breath away. She kept her hair in a small, ponytail/bun, was around 5’ 6”, had this smoldering, almond-eyed stare when she was annoyed, and also had the reputation as “The Mean Girl.”

I had borne witness to this so-called “mean” once or twice before. So I was not intimidated by THAT part. I had “mean” people in my circles after-all, and they have always been nice and reasonable people if you weren’t messing up their work areas and stuff. Once when tasked to keep order during the obligatory fire drill, she was extremely no-nonsense, and refused to allow tomfoolery and shenanigans on HER watch. With her arms folded and eyes flashing, she generously dispensed razor sharp retorts and humbling sarcasm to all who supplied dumb questions and pushback. I watched fascinated, and noted that though she was obviously irritated, she still kept her composure, and successfully met mission. Another time there was an unusually long line of people coming into the dorm (or maybe it was just my first time experiencing the evening rush…?) and she was one of two desk security staff making sure all those ID badges got scanned. The line was moving quickly, and I found myself straining to catch her name on her own badge…  

"Hey! I said, ‘Next!’”

Oops! That was me. I handed her my badge and smiled at her. She smiled back and her eyes softened. I knew then that she wasn’t mean; that’s just what the immature and lazy called people who took their jobs seriously (“Cmon, man! Loosen UP! Let me get away with XYZ just this once.”).

One day, I got up determined to ask her to be my training partner to help me work out this problem. I grabbed a pencil, my trusty sketchbook, and made my way to the lobby. On the way to the front desk I chickened out, and decided to sit off to the side and sketch her in a perfect imitation of a serial caricaturist stalker creep. Fortunately, this cowardly scheme failed, as she was too far away to get the details of her face I needed for any serious drawings, and I caught her eye often enough to regain the courage I had when I first got out of bed.

Alright. I walked over to the front desk to catch her in mid-comedic banter with Tom, her co-nightshift security partner. They responded to my “Hi,” and then neatly folded me into their banter, each jokingly asking me to ‘Amen’ their quick-witted ribbing of the other. I took advantage of the moment to enjoy her in a relaxed state, flashing her gorgeous smile while the two of them simultaneously played “Go Fish!” with a deck of Tom’s novelty cards. During a break in their dialogue, I formerly introduced myself, and finally got her name.


Was a prettier name ever uttered? I doubt it. Not in THAT moment, surely.

Amused, Katina listened to my spiel, and agreed to allow me to sketch her. Her composure changed noticeably, as she took on what I imagine she considered her “model look.” Complete with a ‘bedroom eyes’ accessory, she did a great job in my humble opinion. Whatever little rudimentary crush I had developed by that time was now a raging fire of head-over-heels super crush.

I drew several sketches of her over about 12 pages in the next hour. She provided the same disappointed feedback of my previous beautiful victims, and I had to remind her of the whole reason for this late night drawing assignment in the first place. She conceded with a smile and an apology, and then a remarkable thing happened. We spent the next three hours of her shift talking… wait, was it just “talking?” No. We CONJURED up a magical friendship that lasted until the end of her life. That night I was so inspired by her intelligence, the expressed assurance of career plans for her future, and everything about her. It was obvious to me that on that night, I was in the presence of true greatness. As I became her closest confidant all the way until 2009, when circumstances necessarily required boundaries on our precious friendship, I genuinely looked forward to seeing her in her fully-realized state of awesome. I wasn’t the only one who felt that way about Katina, as she shared the details of the praise her other dear friends heaped upon her, especially her Slippery Rock University alma mater crew.

In the end though, I’m not sure she really felt that way about herself.

We lost Katina Maria Clayborn suddenly to breast cancer on 14 May 2017 at only 43 years old. It is a terrible and very sad thing.

Beyond the pain of her death, there was also the pain of witnessing her beat up on herself, and paralyze herself into inactivity based on a desperate over-analysis of her plans. She spent the majority of her adult life fretting and pessimistic, in shocking contrast to the confident and self-assured superstar I met at Cedar Point. Perhaps she was TOO good at selling people on her talents and capabilities, to the point that our expectations of her had become a form of idolatry? If so, then this was of course a situation that she could not possibly live up to, which quickly broke her from the supernatural pressure.

I truly loved Katina Clayborn with all my heart – and in addition to many other things – I wish she could have lived the life she wanted to live in her ultimate vision before she passed away. Her story is a lesson for us all. Fretting, second guessing oneself, not taking chances based on what MIGHT happen, etc., isn't worth playing with since none of us is promised tomorrow. Go hard and burn bright while we are here. Otherwise, what are we doing? Fear is just a tool, not a road block.

Rest in peace, my beloved “Babyhead.” May God have mercy upon your sweet soul.

Your friend for eternity,

Muhammad Rasheed

Wednesday, June 14, 2017

The Most Beautiful Nation

Rafay Khawaja - Which country has the most beautiful women?

Muhammad Rasheed - That’s easy. It’s the United States of America, of course.

American Women are not only the MOST super gorgeous in the world, but the sheer amount of hatertude they receive from their rivals is as legendary as it is comically sad.

American Women are looked at with mock-disdain and over-the-top disrespect, but all the while it is their beauty, swag, and style that are mined/stolen by the world’s industries.

Even when American Women try the styles of others, they create a whole new standard, and blow everyone else away. Afterwards you can ONLY see the American Women’s version!

American Women are very diverse, as you can see here within my own family’s example (wife & 2 daughters):

From button cute, to fresh-faced pretty, to the irresistible sexy swag of the seasoned tigress, American Women have it ALL.

Bahram Amiri - Good answer , but why did you neglect whiter skinned American women ?

Muhammad Rasheed - I didn’t “neglect” them since I focused on the ones most beautiful to me personally. Why do you care since white-skinned people are well represented in the other 81 Answers. They don’t need my help or interest, so why is it bothering you that they don’t have yet another prominent spot within my own listing? Tell me.

Dolu Divine - Omg ikr!!

Rafay Khawaja - Very biased answer.

Muhammad Rasheed - bias - inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

I do have an inclination towards the women of my own group. Very much so. lol Thank you for your amazingly astute observation, genius.

Egi Vila - Im sorry, but why did you only show Black women? American Women consists of many other races and ethnicities.

Muhammad Rasheed - I don’t consider ALL American Women to be beautiful from my subjective view point. As diverse as the country is, that would not be realistic. I posted the images of women that were of the apex of beauty to me. If you feel other types of women are more beautiful then when you answer the question, please feel free to post the images of those you prefer. I don’t understand why you are confused by this.

Egi Vila - The question refered to what country has the most beautiful women, you said American women which consists of a lot more races and ethnicities then black. The question didn’t ask others what race or ethnicity has the most beautiful women. If i would say Russia, I would put all ethnicities and races of women in Russia. Your answer was very biased and also incorrect.

Muhammad Rasheed - My answer is very correct. The most beautiful women in the world are found in the USA, as the samples I posted demonstrated. Women happen to be represented within the categories of “race” and “ethnicity” it turns out, so you may notice that all of the Quora Answers to this question provide women of certain races and ethnic groups. :)

Tell me, if I had avoided the American races and ethnic groups that you yourself dislike when I made my choice, would you magically consider my post “fair” then?

Egi Vila - I don’t dislike any races or ethnicities, but you should have refered to them as African-American women if you want to use pictures of them only. American women are very diverse, they do not consist of only black women.

Muhammad Rasheed - No, I should not have. These are ALL American women, therefore, my post is correct. I posted images of the American women who are at the apex of the beauty spectrum from my own viewpoint. When you answer the question you may post women who fit your own subjective viewpoint as well. Please have fun while doing so. Perhaps I will take the time to admonish you on not conforming your Answer to what I subjectively feel is “correct” based on my own personal opinions the way you are doing here. ;)

Egi Vila - Ok then lets agree to disagree.

Muhammad Rasheed - I am using this forum  that actually asks me my personal opinion on which nation has the most beautiful women  to celebrate the women I genuinely believe are the most beautiful in the world. You coming here to tell me my opinion is wrong offends me mightily, especially considering the women of my ethnic group are the most unfairly disrespected in the entire world.  I can not help but read a nefarious, anti-Black Woman purpose into your actions.  I do not respect your opinion on this topic, as it leaves an impression of villainy on me.  Please improve. Thank you.

Egi Vila - The original question I asked was, why did you only put black women images when you said American women. I didn’t know that other people referred to only one ethnicity or race when they said they liked women from a particular country. I would have had zero problems if you put different ethnicities because there are different ethnicities in America. I have nothing against black women. I would have asked the same question even if you put only white women, Asian women, Hispanic women etc. Please stop trying to make everything about race.

Muhammad Rasheed - You are making this about race. lol I posted the images of the American women I felt best represented the beauty of the USA’s female population, and your inner racist erupted over it.

Your problem is something YOU need to work out for yourself. Have fun with that.

Bahram Amiri - Because you used Americans and Americans don't mean the black ones. It was fair to make your answer non-biased. I didn't check other answers. If they only represented specific Americans, then they were biased too.

I don't know , maybe you're right by doing the same.

Muhammad Rasheed - “Maybe?” lol

Since all the samples I used ARE Americans, I don’t understand the problem you believe you see. Did you wish me to post pictures of all 150 million American women so my post would be artificially “fair?” lol Please be reasonable.

Bahram Amiri - Good, no objection!

Muhammad Rasheed - Well, I’m certainly glad my personal, subjective opinions regarding loving my own people have your official stamp of approval, Mr. Whoever-You-Are. lol

I swear that sometimes I can’t tell whether I’m reading you all’s comments on Qurora, or on YouTube. smh

Muhammad Rasheed - Bahram wrote: “…and Americans don't mean the black ones.”

I’m still thinking about this comment. Are you saying you think that native-born Blacks in the United States of America are somehow NOT US citizens? Please explain the true message of your comment and presence in this thread.

Monday, June 5, 2017

Sibling Rivalry

Salman Khan - Mankind was presumably unable to produce "anything like" a certain portion of the Qur'an, thus proving it is the word of Allah. Is that a valid claim?

Whether some text is “like” some other text is obviously subjective. If there is no objective method to determine that one text is like another text, then the claim must be false. Does this not therefore prove the opposite of what is claimed?

Muhammad Rasheed - All you'd have to do is pull the bulleted known facts from the Qur'an's history and use them as a checklist, seeking to duplicate the Qur'an by matching the conditions that produced it. This would be a reasonably objective contest despite your complaints.

For example, the Qur'an was:

1.) preached from the mouth of an illiterate man with no formal schooling at all.
2.) revealed in a single segmented draft over a 22 year period into a completed work without revisions.
3.) preached by a man who was known by all who knew him best as being so honest, his nickname was "the trustworthy."
4.) received with such reverence, that everyone moved by it would immediately commit the verses to memory.
5.) recognized by friend and critics alike as being a magnificent work of Muhammad's native language... so much so that it elevated Arabic to a language of high literature and inspired generations of poets, artists, scientists, etc.

Duplicate these clearly miraculous conditions to also produce such a work, and you will have met the challenge of the One God of Abraham, Author of the Holy Qur'an.

Shmuel Beckerman - The challenge was only for Arab pagans though. Why is it that the majority of Jews and Christians are unimpressed by the Qur’an? Especially Arabian Jews who saw all of the flaws, inconsistencies, and contradictions in Qur’anic content and simply laughed at Muhammad and quickly rejected him. From the Jewish perspective, Muhammad spread monotheism to non-Jews, and soon the whole world will be united in serving God together as the Jews lead the way. Christianity and Islam are dependent on Judaism, but Judaism is independent of both.

Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) The challenge was for any and all disbelievers who doubted the fact that Muhammad (pbuh) really was the messenger of Allah, and that the Qur'an was indeed revealed by Him.

2.) The majority of Jews and Christians are unimpressed by the Qur’an because they are either ignorant of it, or disingenuous and arrogant.

3.) The Arabian Jews famously covenanted with Muhammad along with the other Yathrib tribal leaders, and later betrayed the prophet resulting in an intense humiliation that is now recorded in history to their shame. There is NO excuse for one who proclaims belief in the One God of Abraham to side with savage pagans against another believer in that same One God. The faux-critiques of the Jews, in the form of "kidnapped rabbis" and denying his illiteracy, gave away the true reasons behind their rejection of the Qur'an. It was no less than ethnic sibling rivalry, and a younger brother's pouting in his false belief that he holds some kind of monopoly over the special favor of Allah.

4.) Allah Himself perfected Al-Islam for humanity, and since He is the Source, the Muslim is dependent upon the One God alone. Your empty arrogance is showing again. I suggest you check it, and bow down to the Lord thy God and give Him the Glory that you seem to covet for yourself.

Shmuel Beckerman - Your second point is ignorant, biased, arrogant, and insulting. The Jews in Muhammad’s time and today, were and are unimpressed by the Qur’an not because of its flowery, eloquent language and strict/pure monotheism. Jews admire Muhammad for spreading monotheism to pagans, but he claimed he was a prophet for the Jews, openly contradicted the Torah, and slaughtered them like the violent fool that he was! Judaism was an ancient religion even in the 7th century, and the Jews had their established scripture! Had Muhammad left the Jews alone he would never have faced rejection! What an idiot. A power hungry, obsessive, maniacal warlord and control freak who’s best audience was the Arab pagans and no one else. And of course even they rejected him, he was a real outcast and a loser with low self esteem in his own abilities. Initially, he refused to believe he was a prophet himself!

He sabotaged his cause and shot himself in the foot by seeking their approval and caused his own problems. But even if he was rejected he should have taken it like a man, sucked it up and moved on. He didn’t because his character/personality was weak. What a lousy role model, the best example for all Muslims.

Therefore, Muhammad was arrogant, narcissistic, and stupid enough to intrude on the religious beliefs of other people. Muhammad accomplished an amazing feat by spreading monotheism to pagans and that’s undeniable but he was an utter, and total fool in other ways.

He was utterly stupid to assert that he was a prophet to the Jews, and openly contradict the Torah, while they read the Torah in their daily lives to disprove him. Jews strictly and firmly believe Moses is the last prophet, so Muhammad’s teachings contradict the Torah and don’t confirm it as he arrogantly claimed. Thus, the Jews didn’t accept him for legitimate reasons of faith and certainly not for the ignorant, biased and arrogant reasons you stated which are insults to the Jews.

The Torah is for the Jews and the Qur’an is for the Muslims. Muhammad was an insecure, narcissistic, hypocrite who couldn’t leave well enough alone. He needed an ego boost from the Jews to confirm him as a prophet, he needed their approval which says a lot about his true character! He couldn’t handle rejection and he had an inferiority complex among other mental issues.

He slaughtered Jews because they refused to accept him as a true prophet for their own reasons and that offended his fragile ego, what a damn, pathetic shame! He was a walking, talking contradiction. And Muslims who say he was humble, kind and the best of humans or best of creations are lying. If he was the best example for Islamic behavior, its clear why many Muslims are walking, talking contradictions themselves. He spread monotheism to pagans but he was certainly not a good person. He was a violent false prophet.

Muhammad Rasheed - This new post of yours functions as little more than a tantrum, the details of which conflict with the facts of history.

1.) The Jews of Muhammad's day  specifically the three major tribes of Yathrib  covenanted with him and agreed to aid the prophet in exchange for (among other things) mediation between the groups of that city. They even said they recognized him as the messenger, and betrayed him later.

2.) The One God of Abraham is EVERYONE'S God; He's the Lord of all those who agree to worship Him and accept the message of His prophets as true, and the Qur'an is for all of mankind. Don't pretend that there is anything left of the original revealed scripture of Moses left in the scrolls you carry, since we BOTH know better. The Jews hold no monopoly over Allah's favor... the "chosen people" concept as they hold onto it is a fiction. Allah promised the patriarchs that because of their own individual unflinching righteousness and good service, He would make their progeny more numerous than the stars in the sky. This fact alone is responsible for Allah's enormous amounts of Self-Restraint in the face of the children of Israel's continuous betrayals and disrespect during the Exodus journey, not because they themselves were anointed as specially favored. No. The leaders of the Jews early on made up their own rules, and decided on their own they would no longer accept the prophets who were raised up to admonish them as true. They attacked and slaughtered Allah's messengers from among their own nation, as well as those from alien ethnic groups, so it should be no surprise that they would attack the final prophet who was raised up from the nation of their oldest rivals. There is only one reason, and one reason only that they reject the Qur'an. Bile-fueled jealousy.

3.) "Leaving the Jews alone" was not an option, as it was the prophet's job to preach the message of God to whomsoever he was instructed to preach it to by that very same God. Perhaps you have grown overused to playing loose & free with the narrative of sacred scripture, until you somehow believe the prophets could do whatever they wanted? Know you that they were NOT in charge. Only Allah is in charge, and it is your job to listen to what the Lord thy God commands and obey Him. God is NOT your peer, and His messengers were His agents to be obeyed, not maligned and killed because they did not aid and abet your foolishness. When you attacked and disobeyed the prophets, you attacked and disobeyed God Himself.

4.) The Banu Qurayza slaughtered themselves by siding with the pagan enemy of fellow believers in the One God, lying about it, and refusing to repent once they were called out. Hard-hearted, prideful, and stubborn until the end, they refused to repent of their wrong and preferred the ultimate humiliation instead. Note that both the Banu Nadir and the Banu Qaynuqa were allowed to leave with their lives after they wisely decided to repent, thus demonstrating it was pride alone that ended the treacherous lives of the Qurayza, not Muhammad.

5.) So he was both power hungry and had low self-esteem? lol Which was it? Do you all ever try to make sense? In his lifetime, Muhammad prevailed over the enemies of God, consolidated the tribes of Arabia, and ended his days as the prophet-king of the peninsula, leaving behind a strong and growing body of believers that would go on to conquer nearly the entire Old World. Because of this, all of your talk of 'rejection' and 'his problems' comes across as babbling nonsense. I did notice that his enemies (particularly anyone within the body of believers who were only pretending to be Muslim as they worked their way to positions of power) waited until after the messenger of Allah was safely away from the material realm before they worked their revenge schemes.

6.) A random Jew on the Internet called Muhammad a 'fool,' yet the Lord thy God said, within His enduring scripture of the ages, that the prophet was indeed of most excellent character, a sublime believer whose behavior He commanded we all emulate (especially you). Which one of you should I believe then?  ;)

Shmuel Beckerman - You certainly know a tremendous amount of Islamic history but I know a tremendous amount of Jewish history, and your arguments function as little more than a nostalgic view of the good old days, the details of which are currently irrelevant and contradict current events. So I’m not going to be sucked into the past, when I can discuss the present and the future. Your arguments don’t phase me as I have better evidence against your claims. The fact remains that Jews still observe their own scripture, and Muslims still observe their own scripture. Both faith groups are as separate and distinct now as they were 1400 years ago, and that’s not going to change anytime soon.

Muhammad never really accomplished his goal of converting all the Jews to Islam. So all of this superiority, and high and mighty talk about Muhammad’s successful unification of the pagan Arab tribes, his ‘ummah’, but his failure to honestly convince Jews to join him also comes across to me as babbling nonsense. That was then and this is now, and the situation is exactly the same! Don’t resort to insulting and blaming the Jews when they were entitled to defend themselves and adhere to the faith of their forefathers against the selfish, mentally ill, ignorant, narcissist Muhammad.

He intruded on the Jews, who had an established and ancient religion, and forced them to believe he was a prophet when he openly contradicted their Torah! At his own risk he intruded on them and was logically rejected, how stupid! Also, Muhammad was not humble he was arrogant but also inferior. He was insecure and needed people to boost his ego, so he slaughtered anyone who criticized him and intruded on other faiths!

The Jews knew intuitively that Muhammad was a false prophet, the utter antithesis of Moses who was indeed the most humble, and gentle of human beings, and the greatest prophet in human history. When Moses was challenged he never killed anyone, he was truly scared and prayed to God because he was so humble. Moses was a true role model and a positive example/influence for the Jews, unlike Muhammad.

Today, Muslims follow Muhammad and Jews follow Moses, and what a difference in behavior! So Muhammad really failed to accomplish his biggest goal, how humiliating! As I’m sure you know, the Muslim world is an utter fractured, barbaric mess with Muslims killing each other left and right! Muslims can only agree to disagree.

Why is there so much bloodshed in the Muslim world if Muslims are supposed to be the best nation of mankind and an example of unity and good behavior and conduct when they hate each other so much! Surah 3:110 was wrong about the high and mighty ‘ummah’. And if that verse was wrong, I’m sure much of the Qur’an is wrong and false giving credence to Muhammad as a false prophet. Why are Allah’s statements so deceptive, contradictory, and hypocritical? Very strange! Allah’s statements change on a whim whenever Muhammad wants. Very suspicious and inconsistent!

Jews don’t kill each other left and right, and they have one united country, Israel, where people get along in relative peace. So your entire rant about Muhammad’s supposed accomplishments backfires! The pathetic Muslim world and ‘ummah’ today contradicts events of the 7th century and beyond, everything has backfired and failed before your very eyes!

Muslims know it and it humiliates them deep down, and I’m sure it humiliates you as well, that history has been very unfair to Muslims, and much better for the Jews who have accomplished so much and contributed so much to society. Muslims countries are terrible places wherein the vast majority of people are poor, uneducated, ignorant, illiterate, misogynistic, miserable, and aren’t critical thinkers nor are they self-critical. Why is that if not for the lies, falsehood, and misinformation in the Qur’an.

In fact, the Qur’an urges Muslims to use reason, so what the hell happened?! Why are Muslim countries in a backward, self-defeating dark age?! Israel and the Jews are successful, I wonder why? Its because of Torah/Jewish values! Muslims are jealous, envious, and hateful of Jewish/Israeli success and prefer to criticize and blame others for their own flaws, deficiencies, and weaknesses.

So I don’t buy any one of your arguments, and I never will, they don’t phase me. You’re assertive in your claims about the past, but Islamic history is a big contradiction and the Muslim world is a total failure, whereas Jewish history has been far more historically consistent in line with the Torah! People are frightened, suspicious of and despise Muslims because the so called precious, holy ‘ummah’ can’t get their damn act together, unite, and act like respectable, civilized human beings instead of angry, violent, tribal, desert fools.

Muslims right now are a model of terror, no one respects them, and they don’t respect themselves. Muslims are held to an incredibly low standard by the entire Western world. Muhammad was a false prophet, he failed to accomplish his ultimate goals even though he spread monotheism to pagans, big deal. Talk about the past all you want, but it won’t avail you. I’ve exposed your lies and the truth hurts.

Muhammad Rasheed - This latest post of yours demonstrates what it looks like when one decides to eschew the facts of history, and instead manufacture and devour faux-knowledge from within the insulated bubble of bigoted minds that think exactly like you do. In this you have a lot in common with the White Supremacist groups among the American conservatives whose minds perform in the same fashion. There is a clear dividing line in between the politics of the early Muslim world versus the politics at work on the world stage today, and normally my argument often serves to shine the spotlight on those differences in order to enlighten a misinformed audience. With you I’ll make the exception, since the specific point of view you are revealing in this thread is directly addressed by the Lord thy God in the Qur’an in numerous verses. Although I myself am not a child of Ishmael, we may consider this particular argument we engage in to be “personal” from our perspective as shared Peoples of the Book.

You’ve betrayed your true thoughts in this emotional tantrum essay you’ve typed above, and it in fact confirms what Allah said about you. I am amused at the tone of your writing voice, which implies that I should somehow take what you say at face value and simply believe it because you said it. You love to show you have a lot in common with the White Supremacist mind, I see, and I’m beginning to wonder which of your two ideologies influenced the other…? But that is a topic for another day. Allah revealed who you were, and how you act when you perform at your insufferable worst, and here I find you enthusiastically dancing along to that same 1,500 year old script, almost on cue. lol

Again I have to ask: Should I believe the One God of Abraham, or you? Please bear in mind that… despite your strutting about in the land as if you can smash a mountain with a single blow, or tear the earth asunder with your bare hands… you have no heaven nor hell to put me in, and the One who will Judge me will also Judge you. Based on your posts in this thread, were you to die this very day, that inevitable Ultimate Trial will not go as your delusions have you believing it will. You’ve done yourself a great disservice in rejecting YHWH’s messengers who came after Moses (peace be upon him), and the scripture they tried to admonish you with; it turns out you’ve missed out on quite a bit. Combined with your penchant for simply making up nonsense and pretending it was from God in order to manufacture faux-authority for your schemes, this will be your undoing. You value the antiquity of your religion, over the purity of God’s Word, which is what the religion itself is designed to guard. Your religion has been stripped of its purpose, and has now become little more than a country club for money worship. This is NOT good, Beckerman, and the stench of your empty boasting is foul indeed. I mentioned that the Lord thy God bluntly addresses most of your points directly in the Qur’an, but I suspect that when you read it, even though you hate being admonished, those aren’t the parts that make the blood rush to your face. You really, REALLY hate the parts where God talks about the wealthy in general, and how harshly He treats your materialism idol. You’ve convinced yourself that obscene hoards of material wealth – no matter HOW it is obtained – automatically means you are divinely favored by God and have His approval, so the Qur’an’s unflinching popping of that silly bubble must make your cognitive dissonance churn up in your gut like fire, huh? ;) I’m convinced that this and this fact alone is why you hate Islam, Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur’an.

Muhammad’s goal, despite the claims of your pet strawman effigy, was not to convert all the Jews to Islam. Instead, his goal was what his Lord said his goal was to be: To preach the revealed message of the One God. Several times throughout the Book, Allah explained that it wasn’t any of the prophets’ jobs to make their people believe, only to make sure the message was heard; it wasn’t their responsibility whether the people accepted the message or not. God assures us that all of them were successful, and preached the Word of God clear and true. All those who heard, and allowed the verses to penetrate and turn their hearts towards the Straight Path of Al-Islam were the winners (whether rich or poor, as demonstrated during the hajj ritual), and all those who held your position were the losers, who will know only torment in the next life. The Arabian Jews didn’t “defend themselves,” Beckerman. They rejected the Lord thy God and His messenger, sided with the pagans against their fellow People of the Book for greed, and were too prideful to admit they erred and would do it no more. In other words, they traded their egos for hellfire, and you somehow wish me to believe they were the good guys of the story. They were NOT.

What is this new fantasy you’re weaving in which only the Arab tribes fought among each other, while the Hebrew tribes always got along in perfect harmony? Are you insane? The Old Testament is full of incidents of you all’s continuous bickering, and at its worst, it reveals you stooping so low in your aggressions that you would even slander the prophets of YHWH if they happened to be of a rival Hebrew tribe! Shameful. Even today, the white-skinned Jews hate the dark-skinned Jews with a vicious passion born of envy, and again I can’t tell whether the White Supremacists influenced you, or you influenced them.

It’s funny reading your comments regarding Israel and the current state of many Muslim countries. You’ve forgotten that in the past, under Muslim rule during the golden age of Islam, all three Abrahamic faiths not only lived in harmony, but the tolerant society allowed you to economically and academically thrive specifically… the learned and ambitious among you made it a point to go to Muslim Spain and Baghdad, etc. The Muslim world didn’t look the way it does today in all those centuries, and in fact, the harsh and abused way it looks today can be traced to the manipulations of the European founders of the state of Israel, and their Western superpower allies. You throw your diabolical colonialism, and greed-fueled war mongering in my face and name it ‘pretty scented flowers.’ No, thank you, as I prefer to call it what it actually is. It's telling indeed that you admit you don't consider the spread of Allah's monotheism message to be a big deal. Please repent, bow down to your Guardian Lord who made you, and change utterly so that you may manage to save yourself from hell.


Shmuel Beckerman - You are very knowledgeable and sharp as I am and we are both strong in our convictions. I do not hate Islam, that’s your assumption but I’m countering facts with facts, you attack the Jews and I attack the Muslims, its perfectly fair, the best offense is a good defense. Also, I sense typical Islamic supremacy directed against Jews, me specifically, in your tone.

Ironic how you accuse me of being a white supremacist when I’m a Jew, historically a target of white supremacy, and a religious minority. Your credibility in the realm of history outside the Islamic bubble is severely lacking and you’re showing your true ugly colors.

Apparently you’re fiercely biased toward Islamic history and the Islamic worldview of conquest and subjugation of others. Its evident why you can’t make accurate/objective historical connections in your contradictory and hypocritical statements. Imagine, calling a Jew a white supremacist, go figure! You’re not too bright are you? I beg to differ, you’re just reflecting and exposing your own bigoted views.

Evidently, the Muslim ‘ummah’ has a notorious and infamous history of bigotry, discrimination of minorities, black slavery, racism, persecution of non-Muslims, and colonialism. I’d bet that’s one of the reasons your a Muslim, given that your not ethnically Arab, in that your recent ancestors were forced to convert to Islam and adopt Arabic names but correct me if I’m wrong, maybe its just you.

Your attitude is the logical consequence of Islamic colonialism and ideological/theological supremacy directed against all non-Muslims. You raise relevant points about Jewish history, but you’re biased in that you deflect and blame Jews for Muhammad’s deficiencies to boost your huge ego. Truly influenced by your role model, as Muslims typically are. When you’re greatest role model and example was a jealous, insecure, violent, arrogant bigot who hated minorities its a recipe for disaster!

Also, Jews certainly disobeyed their prophets, fought against each other, and sinned against God. I never denied that, the Torah is brutally honest about the Jews’ poor conduct. But the pagan Arabs were exactly the same in their rejection of Muhammad. Moreover, the Jews invented ethical monotheism centuries before Muhammad was even born so they at least had a covenant with God! The Arabs were pathetic, barbaric, and idolatrous until the 7th century! They were polytheists, so even though the Jews sinned at least they had a relationship with God, though a strained one. The jāhil Arabs had no knowledge of the One God until the 7th century, its astounding how long it was before their inspiration and revelation.

You’re stuck in the past, but currently the Jews are far more successful than the Muslims. There is one united Jewish country, Jews worship the One God as pure, ethical monotheists, and there is no significant religious hatred, fighting, or killing in any Jewish community. Muslims disagree, fight, and kill each other all day every day, 24/7 with no end in sight and terrorize everyone in the world with their stupidity, aggression, and intolerance. Jews recovered from their problems, Muslims still fail by wallowing in self-pity and self-hatred, jealous and envious of the Jews and the world. Excluding oil, which Arabs need help extracting since they can’t do it themselves, Muslim countries produce nothing and contribute nothing, they only take. Oil is a blessing for them and enriches their pathetic economies to benefit the royal family and top associates, everyone else suffers in pain and miserable poverty. The ‘ummah’ is not united, though it is certainly hypocritical.

The example of Muhammad is evident in the hellish Islamic world. All Islamic countries are barbaric hellholes, and you’re ignorant enough to blame this on Israel?! The Middle East was a miserable, bloodbath long before Israel was established, you fool! The region is still a miserable bloodbath because of Islam and no other reason. Muslims use the Jews and Israel as their scapegoat, like the typical anti-Semites they’ve always been, and which you seem to be. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Islamic countries with intimidation and condescension even though Jews made these countries prosperous. Playing the blame game and failing to address your own issues, not self critical, a damn shame! Your weak assertive arguments don’t phase me, I’ve countered them with facts. We’re both strong in our convictions, but history is in my favor not yours. You’re stuck in the past, ranting about the Jews this, the Jews that, the Jews did this, the Jews did that. Currently, the Jews fare better than the Muslims so you lack credibility my friend. You can rant all you want, but I’m not convinced, history is about the big picture which you’re not seeing.

Muhammad Rasheed
- I did not “attack the Jews,” Beckerman. Remember, all that I did was answer Khan's question about the Qur’an, and you responded to my answer by falsely proclaiming that the Book is full of “flaws, inconsistencies, and contradictions” because you heard someone say that once and you thought it made sense as it fit your predisposed bigotry. You then proceeded to present all of your folk tales, biases, and ethnic fantasies as if they were casual facts & truths. Of course I would find this behavior unacceptable, and have sought but to counter with actual facts, and well-known historical knowledge free of your clouded vision of how you would like the world to be. I don’t know what your “typical Islamic supremacy” is supposed to mean, but I do know that I accept the Word of God as revealed, while you admit to rejecting/fighting God’s messengers tooth & nail until here I find you accepting only Moses (pbuh) as your prophet and ignoring all the rest. lol You’ve built your peculiar version of God’s religion around these blasphemies you willingly admit to committing, and then you snap at me – as a real believer in the One God – for holding you to account for what you are supposed to know and follow as a fellow People of the Book. I do not hate the Jews/Hebrews/children of Israel, and I hate “anti-semitism” as much as you claim to (the White Supremacist is NOT my friend). I submit my will to the One God of Abraham, and as you know, He has very specific requirements for those who believe. I only bring up these points as revealed by God in His Book; I hold no evil in my heart for you just because you are different from me. However, I do hold some resentment based on historical behaviors displayed by your people against mine from my dual identity… behaviors that you continue up into the present day, and when called out on them, you lie and pretend you didn’t, despite the raw evidence shrieking loud as a blaring noise. In an ideal world our two groups could get along great, sharing knowledge and building up together in the interdependent Kumbaya smokescreen you guys promote as real. Meanwhile, I don’t even have that relationship with my real siblings. lol It’s not realistic here when there is so much more bad blood and treachery inflicted upon my peoples from so many varying angles by yours. Your ages old pretense to holding a monopoly over God’s favor will continuously show up as a wedge between us, because from your selfish perspective, there can be only one “chosen people.” BTW, my tone is only directed towards you as a representative, not in a literal personal way since I don’t know you on an individual level. I can only respond to your argument in the way presented, which was as the group’s mouthpiece.

Actually I am equally as shocked as you are at your odd demonstration of White Supremacist traits. Because of your own history of being on the receiving end of harsh discriminatory treatment, I agree that one would think you lot would wish to stay as far away from that behavior as possible, and yet here I find you oddly mimicking it whenever you can, and for the same reasons that they do it: To monopolize wealth and power for yourself. This is not noble nor righteous behavior, Beckerman, but is in fact, the core traits of an oppressor class. In the Qur’an, the Lord thy God has commanded the believer to fight the oppressor so that peace will reign in the land. Naturally I will consider that yet another reason why you hate God’s Book, since for the exploited to obey their Guardian Lord it would negatively affect your income streams.

I’m not sure “fiercely biased” is an accurate description of my pro-Islam stance, since it only reflects my submission to Allah as a Muslim. This is more important to me than any pro-nationalist, pro-ethnic, or pro-cultural doctrine position, and it should be more important to you as well. Obedience to God is far more important than compromising God’s requirements to instead demonstrate fierce biased commitment to an altered religious doctrine that conflicts with the spirit of God’s message. This behavior functions as disbelief in God, not a “strained relationship.” You but beckon your entire clan to hell with such foolishness, propping it up as a value point for your progeny to emulate! Rejecting God isn’t a “relationship” with Him at all, sir. Wake up. To make matters worse, you justify the behavior by pointing towards the fruit of economic success! Far indeed you are away from the Straight Path of YHWH, and all this while you profess to know scripture and the history of the Hebrew nation! God explained many times that He tests the earthbound with prosperity and adversity alike, and yet you mistake the mere test for paradise itself. Idolatry is the only possible explanation for this mindset; you justify rejecting your Lord in exchange for wealth because you in fact worship the wealth and its acquisition as your god. Shameful! Your empty boasts of your shallow material successes reveal only your profound lack of insight into the message of sacred scripture.

I see I hit a nerve by mentioning that many of your traits reflect those I’ve exposed within the mindset of the White Supremacist archetype. Does this truly disturb you? I am not inclined to believe that it does since you don’t feel that you are racist against the Black peoples. You may be disturbed because of your efforts to pretend that you don’t have a well-documented history of being exactly that. In the spirit of disclosure, you should know that I have in my possession (among other things) all four volumes of “Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America” (Published: 1930-1935, Carnegie Institution of Washington D.C.) which reveals in detail who actually set up the model of the Atlantic Slave Trade in the beginning… who actually owned the ships, the West African forts, the rum distilleries, and the sugar cane lands. This info is undeniable, and yet when confronted with the charge, you’ve bluntly denied your responsibility using only the power of “Harrumph!” and “Egad!!” alongside various comical Jedi Mind Trick attempts. Star Wars isn’t real, Beckerman, but the greasy filth on your hands certainly is. You had a lot of nerve bringing up “black slavery” when it was you that perfected the ‘art.’ With the House of Saud and the Israeli government performing backroom deals even as we speak, while outwardly pretending to hate each other, I would expect to find – should I care to dig – that the money trail leading from this same modern “black slavery” you mentioned leads directly to the wealth hoards of the House of Israel. PLEEEASE challenge me on that so I will be motivated to dig!

Long ago, I had a rather embarrassing encounter with a small group of Jehovah’s Witnesses that did little more than demonstrate what I didn’t know. In response (primarily to repair my flayed ego initially) I took on a path of self-directed comparative religious study, and in the end, formally converted to Al-Islam based on the revealed logical conclusions of my findings. Decades later, my stance has not moved, and I have never found reason to regret the decision. In other words, your fantasy of me being force-converted at the point of a scimitar while bound in iron chains is hardly accurate. lol

I’ve noticed that you walk around with a bag full of these weird fantasies you espouse; honestly believing I will take them at face value as some kind of truths. This “one united Jewish country” concept is one of these, and I sit incredulous at your ability to type such craziness with a presumably straight face. So the White European ruling class elitist Israelis have their own little “one united Jewish country,” while they infamously discriminate against any and all Black/brown-skinned Jews in the rest of the known universe. As always, the tribes of the children of Israel are jealous of each other, hate each other, and treat each other like dirt starting from when the prophet Joseph (pbuh) sat confused and hurt at the bottom of that long ago dry well. I know too much about you, Beckerman, to fall for your ‘Jewish Utopia’ fictions. Do you even live in Israel? Or when you visit, does your clan keep you on a well-rehearsed visitor’s pathway in which only the elitists’ designated sights are within your gaze, in a perfect imitation of vising North Korea? Tell me.

I’ve also noticed that you can’t stop slandering and insulting the prophet-messenger of Abraham’s God. I would knock it off if I were you, as you only build up more evidence against yourself for the Day of Judgment. Or did you hope to share a torture mat with the hellbound leaders of the Banu Qurayza? Who cares what the pagan Arabs did before Islam? Every single one of them will enjoy hell. I’m a Muslim, and all I care most about are those who willingly submit their wills to the One God, even from among your folk and the Christians. My enemies are first, those who reject God, and second, those who subjugate and disenfranchise my own people, especially while pretending they are God-fearing.

The Muslim world was never in continuous bloody devastation during these past 1,500 yrs. The current abused state did not begin until 1948, when the European powers allowed the war mongering Zionists to mow down those 700,000 native Muslims, Christians AND Jews (your tribes hate each other, remember?) to make way for your savage “Utopia.” Google what those lands looked like before Western imperialism reduced them to rubble and adjust yourself, please.

I’m amused at your complaints that I’m “playing the blame game,” while you simultaneously blame Muslims for your manufactured ills. I look forward to how you plan to explain this discrepancy. :D Can it be as simple as your faux-privilege that’s based only on the ‘chosen people’ myth? Please explain.

Shmuel Beckerman - I’m sorry for being uncaring and rude in my arguments, I just want to let you know that its not how I actually feel about you either, since we certainly don’t know each other personally. Its very easy to be rude online to anyone for emotional reasons and due to my own uninformed biases, I’m truly sorry. I’ve fallen into this trap on here because I’m new to Quora and my skills are not developed.  Evidently, you are also far more objective than me by condemning anyone who disobeys God even fellow Muslims, whereas I am just defending the Jews and ignoring our ills. You’re correct and I agree with you.

You’re very sharp and knowledgeable, I have to keep emphasizing that because its clearly true in your responses that you know much more than me about Islamic history, and likely about Jewish history as well, is that true? I’m not as well informed as you and I certainly don’t believe you’re an anti-Semite either, I just brought up various points for argument’s sake to get the most out of our discussion, I was hoping you’d counter them, because evidently we both know a lot and its good to discuss these things by including the most information we know on these issues.

I do not want to offend you, nor you me, just to have a spirited argument is all, so I’ve got nothing else to say, I’ve made all the points I know and can think of and you’ve countered them all, I appreciate this discussion. Also you’re right that I started this whole tangent based on your original response to a totally unrelated question, and you probably weren’t expecting to go off topic with some random guy, but I’ve learned a lot from you and about you by doing so, how about you?

We both have our convictions, but you’re responses to my arguments are much better, well informed, and less insulting than mine. You’ve brought me to that realization in this newest post of yours, I appreciate it and I’m very embarrassed about my accusatory language.

I emphasize that It’s not how I truly feel about you, rather its for argument’s sake to have the most informed and fullest discussion we can possibly have. All of your points are relevant, and true and so are mine.

This topic is ultimately a dead end, because Jews and Muslims both have our own communal problems, so accusing each other only leads to misconceptions and hatred, and that’s not what you or I want. But these arguments challenge us and help us both learn more. You are absolutely correct that Jews have a range of communal problems within and without Israel, I never denied that and there is much to improve, same with the Muslims, we both agree on this.

I am grateful to you for skillfully deconstructing my arguments, because I can now do more research and correct my statements. You’ve raised points which make me feel very guilty and expose my misinformation, and I appreciate it! I’m happy to be challenged and corrected because it helps me learn more. I’ve got nothing else to say for now, but maybe later after I research deeper aspects of Jewish history.

Shmuel Beckerman - Its undeniable that Islamic colonialism has caused tremendous problems in the Middle East, and the Jews ultimately have nothing to do with it, neither does Israel. Israel is a country with significantly fewer problems than any other in the region, and that’s why Arabs hate it because it mirrors their own failures to build a stable, structured society. They hate it because they don’t want it and can’t accept it, so Israel isn’t to blame for the poor, intolerant attitude of the Arabs.

Its very easy for people to miss the deeper significance of the conflict with Israel in the Middle East. Most people love to scapegoat the Jews for this, though maybe not you, and ignore the blatant problems which predate the establishment of Israel. Its ridiculous, enough is enough! Why do the Arabs always need to be appeased?! Are they that insecure? Are their egos so fragile? I suppose so, given that Muhammad is their example. Jews/Israelis need not apologize for Israel simply because the Arabs will throw a tantrum, they’re held to an incredibly low standard throughout the world, how embarrassing for them.

Muhammad Rasheed - I’ll accept your apology for being rude and accusatory at face value, Shmuel. I’ll also accept your offer for an honest and spirited dialogue, since I also value the same. Moving forward I will proceed from a position of mutual learning, with the hope that we may both be able to take full advantage of the open discussion and learn things about each other’s cultures and religions that we didn’t before, adding to the value of our intellectual repertoire.

Also, instead of getting offended and lashing out at you when you share your people’s negative opinions of my sacred belief system and its prophet-messenger founder, I will explain why these opinions are off the mark to the best of my ability, to give you a chance to rethink your position on it. Slandering the prophets is not a good idea. Ever. I know you are fiercely loyal to your ethnic group; I understand it and admire it, but you all habitually cross a line in it that should never be crossed. The Jewish people with their ages old customs is not your God, and neither are the doctors of the Law, your Talmudic texts, nor the over-proud will of the people themselves. Siding with them and what you are used to, in direct opposition to what YHWH has commanded, will lead only to your doom. There are no special loop holes, or specially printed “Get Out of Hell… for FREE! (Jews Only)” cards, only full repentance to Allah, and a re-aligning of your will and deeds to His Will and commands. You may have whatever you fantasize within your fondest dreams, but first you must pass this earthly test according to God’s criteria. Do not mistake the wealth you amass for the End Goal, or it will be added to the fuel of your assigned space in hell. To be saved – and truly counted among those Allah favors – you MUST learn to love the promise of the unseen next life more than you love the dazzling riches of this one, and build the habits of encoding this into your enduring cultural practices for your children’s sake.

“Islamic colonialism” didn’t cause any problems in the middle east, since Al-Islam only found hellbound pagans and atheists when it was bestowed upon the region by the One God. Of course they weren’t all perfect, since they were only human after-all, but the true problems that they are dealing with were caused from the manipulations of outsiders, which include numerous generations of vengeful agents of the 7th century Arabian Jews, and centuries of European imperialism & allies under the banner of Western Christian White Supremacy. Israel can only be considered to have ‘fewer problems’ in the same way that the royal elite among the oil rich Arab nations have ‘fewer problems’ than the lower class people they run over daily. Truly this is a mentality that can only be possessed by one who believes no one else matters except for his own special group, expressed from within an extreme “us vs. them” bubble. And who performs that teleplay better than you? No one else in all the world counts, only you. No one else has problems worth mentioning. Does the historic record reveal the ethnic cleansing genocide of others, with their corpses piled up in the millions by savage, blood-thirsty madmen, too? Yes, but magically their “holocausts” don’t count because they are not YOU. lol So if Israel never counts the problems they afflict upon others in their self-administered final tally while in the midst of their self-glorification empire building mind you then of course it will give the diabolical illusion that they have fewer problems than others. #IntegrityCheckFailure

As far as your “that’s why Arabs hate it” line, it is of a similar concept to the above. The Israelis believe they are not only specially favored by God, but they think they somehow have the authority to deliberately sabotage the successes of others in order to artificially support their ‘chosen people’ fantasy. Remember the Six-Day War (1967), when Israel destroyed the air fields of their Arab neighbors? They cooked up a story that the Arabs were hostile to them and they had to do it because they might have had WMD or whatever. It was clear by their performance during that war, that Israel fully expected to use their superior hi-tech might to simply plow through the Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian forces as if they were a bunch of children. Instead, the three pulled together their might, and although still technologically outmatched, managed to inflict such damage upon their arrogant foes, that the Israel aggressor never tried that again. They regrouped and developed a program using their intelligence agency to keep the Arab world fighting among themselves, with this being directly responsible not only for the ‘terrorist’ strife, but the wide propaganda spreading the message of their terrible reputations (not that they are saints normally). Today, the coming together and fighting their treacherous Israeli foes like a well-oiled machine as displayed by the three Arab nations during the Six-Day War seems nigh-impossible from our 2017 perspective, but that reflects only the success of Israel’s long-term schemes. Again, this is neither noble, nor righteous behavior, but of the core traits of an oppressor class… including the marketing campaign that somehow paints themselves as the victims of the tale.

I’ll do you a favor and dismiss the “Why do the Arabs always need to be appeased?!” comment out of hand. With the unregistered ADL as the most powerful and influential lobby in Washington D.C., “Please appease us!” is Israel’s most well-rehearsed slogan. lol Naturally I’ll expect to read many more such hypocritical nuggets from your direction since you can’t seem to help yourself. smh

Shmuel Beckerman - I value this information. Also, I absolutely agree with you about the folly of disobeying God’s commands among any nation whether Jews, Muslims or otherwise. The Torah itself is very objective, harsh, and extremely critical of the Jews as God rebukes the nation multiple times for worshiping the golden calf, complaining about lack of food and so on. However, many Muslims may not be aware that those who complained were not Hebrews/Israelites but rather Egyptians who decided to join Moses in the exodus from Egypt. They were the ones who initiated and encouraged construction and worship of the Golden calf, not the Israelites, though they joined in.

The Egyptians were the ones who gave Moses the most trouble, and not the Israelites. This is an important nuance which is missed in that Muslims believe it was the Israelites who complained because that’s what the Qur’an says. The Torah mentions this about the Egyptians complaining to Moses, but the Qur’an doesn’t which ought to make you question the Qur’an’s legitimacy, I’m sorry to say. If the Qur’an is God’s word, why does God blame the Israelites for complaining to Moses, while in the Torah God blames the Egyptians mostly, and the Israelites less? Why a change in the narrative?

Generally though, God rebukes the Israelites very harshly and you’re correct that no Jew, Muslim, or anyone else should be arrogant about anything nor to anyone as we are God’s servants and not his close friends. He is very much aware of what we do and say, and He knows what we think.

So yes, I appreciate how you remind me that God favors those who listen to him and obey him among any nation, but is swift to account for those who disobey him among any nation. In the Torah God says that he does not play favorites or take bribes, he treats everyone equally according to their deeds.

I’ve learned a great lesson from this discussion. Still though, you ought to reassess the Qur’an’s legitimacy because its dubious based on the example I’ve given on its dishonest changes within narratives which come directly from the Torah. This is why Jews deny it, not because they’re arrogant but because it contradicts the Torah which came before it.

Muhammad Rasheed - 1.) The main problem with your attempt to deflect the children of Israel’s wrongs to the Egyptians, is that after spending over a generation in Egypt, they had fully assimilated into that society. Do you doubt this? Remember that along the Exodus journey, they were continuously being admonished for allowing themselves to be bedazzled by the exotic customs and idols they saw, and longing to join and take on the alien cultural traits that allured them. And during the time period, who was more alluring than glorious Egypt? Moses’ highly-influential great uncle Joseph (peace be upon the messengers) provided choice lands and many benefits to his people when he called for them, and the issues they went through during Moses’ time was envy-based hostility from the upper classes. The children of Israel were spoiled rotten, and had grown used to the high-living Joseph had established for them, so of course roughing it during the Exodus was a bit much for them. lol Among them, some were more assimilated into Egyptian culture than others, but since they were all well-established there on land that their ancestor had legally given them, they were all technically Egyptian citizens. That’s where they were all born after-all. No doubt there was some marriage mixing going on between the two cultures, too.

2.) Shmuel, we’ve already established that the children of Israel had a long, long history of rejecting and even attacking their prophets, which came with a corresponding molestation of the scriptural message. They didn’t go so far as to completely rewrite the entire Torat, but they did alter it enough to require a continuous stream of newly anointed prophets to try to set them aright with scripture… scripture that they rejected again and again based on your own admissions. The Lord has been merciful to you indeed that He hasn't wiped you off the face of the map like He did the many rebellious disbelievers of olde, but your insults against the Final Revealed Message from Him demonstrate a mindset that needs a total overall if you dream even a little bit of building a true and favorable relationship with God. I suggest you repent.
Shujaur Rehman - Also insert the so called ‘violent verses’ in a book which are often quoted in the case of islam by it’s critics(out of context ofcourse) to assert their understanding of it being a violent cult responsible for almost all the unrest in the world today and then try to seek followers of that ideology like over 2 billion(and growing) in the case of this faith let’s see how many one is able to garner…that an illiterate bedouin who lived in Arabia over 1400 yrs ago has been able to do so(allegedly)makes him a time tested genius that none can even try to emulate

Muhammad Rasheed
- 1.) Muhammad's genius was that he threw all his chips in with the One God and completely submitted his whole will to Him, just as his ancestor Abraham did (peace be upon the messengers). The prophet had the brilliant idea to bet it all on the One who made him, and was rewarded in this life with the prophethood anointing. The Qur'an itself is the work of Allah, not Muhammad, hence why no human will be able to match its feat.

2.) The 'war verses' of the Qur'an are defensive in nature.

3.) The unrest in the world has nothing to do with Al-Islam, and is in fact part of the extended legacy of European colonialism, and the diabolical machinations of Western intelligence agencies and their mega-corporation partners. Wake up, please.

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