Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Putting in the Work


Muhammad Rasheed - Y'all kill me when you say stuff like, "I can't believe that Fill-In-The-Blank Traditional Societal Bullshit is still going on in 2015!"

Well, what happened along the way that would make it NOT happen any more? Racism? Okay, we still have that. Colorism? Check.. we still have that, too. Et Cetera. Do you remember a cure for any of that stuff happening? Because I sure don't. Did you think all of the wrongs of society would just magically go away every time that New Year's ball dropped?

If we're not actively working to fix it, then it isn't going anywhere. Ignoring it and pretending it no longer exists is certainly NOT fixing it when we're all still walking around damaged, and continuing to pass that damage along to our children. Stop talking crazy.

Abdur Rasheed - You're racist!

Marc Keelan-Bishop - There certainly have been some things done to fix societal problems. Some more successful than others.

Muhammad Rasheed - Okay, American slavery. Cured. That's gone now. What else?

Child labor abuse? Cured. That's gone now. What else?

Women voting? Cured. They can do that now. What else?

Black people voting. Cured... but now their ideological enemies are actively trying to repeal that cure. 

What else?

Marc Keelan-Bishop - Racism has not disappeared but has certainly lessened in Canada ( I can't speak for the experience in America).

Violence against women is no longer the "keep it quiet, do what your husband says" issue it once was.

School drop-outs and teen pregnancy have been dramatically reduced.

Literacy is up dramatically.

Those are off the top of my head.

Marc Keelan-Bishop - (what's the difference between racism and colorism?)

Muhammad Rasheed - Colorism is internal. Skin color prejudices within the same ethnic group. It's a fruit of the greater racism issue. Basically a side effect.

Marc Keelan-Bishop - I think one of the things people forget when it comes to societal issues like this is how long it takes to change things. Native North Americans speak of acting now for change in 7 generations. It takes a long time to turn this ship of humanity, but it can be done. The civil rights movement in America was pretty darned recent.

Marc Keelan-Bishop - I can't believe I forgot the rapid disintegration of homophobia. Not gone, but wow it's happening fast. Just 20 years ago, Will & Grace came out and it was a gigantic deal. Now there are dozens of gay characters on television and tonnes of gay teens who no longer need to hide.

Muhammad Rasheed - Marc Keelan-Bishop wrote: "Those are off the top of my head."

Those are great of course, and should be used to illustrate the lesson. All of these items are lessoned or cured by active work to do so. The racism and colorism issue are not worked on. Peoples' idea of fixing them are literally to pretend they don't exist. Of course that's bullshit.

Marc Keelan-Bishop - I think the only people who pretend they don't exist are people who are afraid to face their own privilege. There are tonnes of people working on racism issues.

Muhammad Rasheed - Marc Keelan-Bishop wrote: "I can't believe I forgot the rapid disintegration of homophobia."

The gay/lesbian/trans community has something now they didn't have before during the "homophobic" era... a strong political lobby actively working to cure society of it's ills. When those issues pop up they are instantly pounced upon, with the same ferocious and scary intensity the ADL pounces upon anti-semitic items that dare show their head.

For those items however that zero work is going into, and the populace expresses they wish folk would just shut up talking about it so they can stay in La-La Land pretending they don't exist...? Stop acting surprised when you see them keep popping up.

Muhammad Rasheed - "What??? Another unarmed, savage darkie was shot by one of our brave & courageous law men? When will those damn people get it together??? Go back to Africa you damn, dirty apes!!!"

Marc Keelan-Bishop - Agreed. The expression "eternal vigilance" comes to mind.

Marc Keelan-Bishop - Well, you can't account for idiots. I don't think those people are the majority, however.

Todd Holland - Other groups realize FIRST,that they have an enemy.Second,they identify that enemy.Third,they come up with a pro-active plan to defeat said enemy...Black folks march around and beg their enemy to "Love' them,ignore their enemies weapons against them,and wait and pray that those in power will concede some....That's why Jews overcame and Black didn't. It's why Gays are overcoming and Blacks aren't,we don't FIGHT because we want to be "loved".Hell, we're more likely to fight someone else's battles and ignore our own.

Muhammad Rasheed - ^Meanwhile, our ideological enemy has convinced himself that the "big black guy" is the scariest, most hateful being in the universe.

Todd Holland - his fear of Karma is why he does that mess...He's scared to DEATH that one day he'll reap all the death and destruction he has sown.

Brett Barton - "What??? Another unarmed, savage darkie was shot by one of our brave & courageous law men? When will those damn people get it together??? Go back to Africa you damn, dirty apes!!!"

::sprinkles crack::

Alan Groening - Draw cartoons

Muhammad Rasheed  - You just stepped into my Kill Zone, Groening. Good luck.

Alan Groening - wait.. JUST?

Muhammad Rasheed  - 




Heide Mechel - True story.



Jeremy Travis - 'WHAT ABOUT BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME?!'

Brett Barton - ^Never mention that.

Only white on black and blue on black HATE crime exists.

You know what I'm saying young blood.

Muhammad Rasheed - Brett Barton wrote: "^Never mention that."

It's a strange misdirection effort when they say that. Like the US government should've allowed the German forces to defeat them and the allies because there are criminals found in their cities. "You kill yourselves, so it should be okay that we kill you."

Muhammad Rasheed - Very weird.

Muhammad Rasheed - "When are you going to control your criminal element? Well, until you do, you shouldn't get mad when our cops kill you."

Muhammad Rasheed - It's extremely hypocritical considering white-on-white homicide numbers are comparable.

Muhammad Rasheed  - "Then why do you scream in terror over the 'Big Scary Black Guy' image you create ("He was like a demon!"), when you are killing each other?"

Brett Barton - Black kill black, white kill white, black kill white, white kill black

It's all the same. People killing each other. Shouldn't get hung up on the scenario and just agree killing each other isn't the best way to make friends

Brett Barton - Hey man nice to meet you, 

::kill Muhammad Rasheed::

Muhammad Rasheed - Stop going around killing people, Brett. It's rude.

Muhammad Rasheed - (and punching cars)

Brett Barton - ^You know my stance on what that guy was.

Alan Groening - For the record, I never said Muslims were stupid dude

Muhammad Rasheed - Did you have to? When the Muslim defended his faith from a bigoted, nonsense message, you called him a troublemaker.

Alan Groening - gheesh...you're right.... ok, me bad... me vewwy vewwy sawwy.... I'll ask Ben Biz Tate if you can be hall monitor

Muhammad Rasheed - I don't need to be a hall monitor, Alan. I believe in Free Speech. But Free Speech has two sides to it. Citizen #1 has a right to say whatever he wants, and Citizen #2 has a right to criticize him for what he said. Both are Free Speech.

Cartoonist's Café needs to learn that.

Alan Groening - I think perhaps you need to understand that the "online version of Free-Speech" that exists on Facebook is NOT the same free-speech you described above and is NOT the same "FREE SPEECH" that you know and enjoy today in the United States, that it isn't actually "free" at all, its NOT just happening at Cartoonist's Cafe exclusively (where we do encourage the posting of (pretty much) all types of political cartoons) "Online Censorship" is happening in virtually every group on Facebook, newspaper, TV NEWS, and just about every other source of media... its not exclusive to Facebook. and its certainly NOT exclusive to Cartoonist's Cafe.

I mean technically, at the core of all groups, is the basic understanding that group members in said group will actually stick to the TOPIC of that group.

I mean online group moderators generally allow ranting and raving to go on to a certain point before they take action and that's why its called moderating the groups.
its not like anybody truly has this amazing gift of "FREE SPEECH" they so desperately want, they dont... its a joke, its a misnomer. You can have free-speech up until a certain point... and then you have to back off and ask yourself "I know I didnt cross a line of free-speech, but maybe I went off topic within a group and got called out on it."

So no, in the "online social communities" such as Facebook, Citizen #1 DOES NOT have "the right" to say whatever he wants, and Citizen #2 DOES NOT have "the right" to criticize him for what he said.

You need to learn that.

Muhammad Rasheed - Alan Groening wrote: “I think perhaps you need to understand that the ‘online version of Free-Speech’ that exists on Facebook is NOT the same free-speech you described above and is NOT the same ‘FREE SPEECH’ that you know and enjoy today in the United States…”

I know. That’s why I’m criticizing it. It’s apparently only “free” for bigots.

Alan Groening wrote: “…that it isn't actually ‘free’ at all…”

No shit?

Alan Groening wrote: “…its NOT just happening at Cartoonist's Cafe exclusively…”

Well, who claimed that it only happened on Cartoonist’s Café? Where was that written?

Alan Groening wrote: “ (where we do encourage the posting of (pretty much) all types of political cartoons)”

Since I was the victim of the “pretty much” I’d say your rant lacks credibility on my Timeline.

Alan Groening wrote: “’Online Censorship’ is happening in virtually every group on Facebook, newspaper, TV NEWS, and just about every other source of media... its not exclusive to Facebook. and its certainly NOT exclusive to Cartoonist's Cafe.”

Why is that relevant since we are talking about Cartoonist’s Café specifically? This is called “strawman argument.” Was my point to say that Cartoonist’s Café the ONLY group to have a shitty Free Speech policy? Then why are you pretending it is? My point is that Cartoonist’s Café should stop being bigoted to people. It’s wrong. THAT’S the particular group that I had that particular experience with.

Alan Groening wrote: “I mean technically, at the core of all groups, is the basic understanding that group members in said group will actually stick to the TOPIC of that group.”

So when a jackass posts an anti-Islam cartoon and I talk about Islam, and why the point of the cartoon is wrong when compared to actual Islam, it somehow means I’m not speaking on topic? Please explain.

Alan Groening wrote: “I mean online group moderators generally allow ranting and raving to go on to a certain point before they take action and that's why its called moderating the groups.”

Cartoonist’s Café thought police “moderate” anyone who isn’t onboard their anti-Islam culture.

Alan Groening wrote: “its not like anybody truly has this amazing gift of ‘FREE SPEECH’ they so desperately want, they dont... its a joke, its a misnomer. You can have free-speech up until a certain point... and then you have to back off and ask yourself ‘I know I didnt cross a line of free-speech, but maybe I went off topic within a group and got called out on it.’”

No. I defended a position and you and Tate disagreed with that position. Period. If I was making fun of Islam and Muslim I would never had been kicked out of the group.

Alan Groening wrote: “So no, in the ‘online social communities’ such as Facebook, Citizen #1 DOES NOT have ‘the right’ to say whatever he wants, and Citizen #2 DOES NOT have ‘the right’ to criticize him for what he said. You need to learn that.”

Why would I need to learn it when I was a victim of that group’s policy of bigotry and anti-Free Speech? Cartoonist’s Café needs to learn, understand and implement Free Speech.

lol What good is a group that encourages the posting of cartoons when only a very narrow topic viewpoint is approved of? If it isn’t a raunchy toilet toon, an anti-black people toon, an anti-Islam toon, then it is “off topic.” I don’t need to learn that, Alan. I noticed it the first day.

Alan Groening - you said: "Well, who claimed that it only happened on Cartoonist’s Café? Where was that written?" you also said: "Cartoonist's Cafe needs to learn that."

Muhammad Rasheed - They do. How does that translate into "they are the ONLY one who needs to learn that?"

Alan Groening - well you did say it was our group, and while you did not say "ONLY" its implied.

Muhammad Rasheed - lol

Muhammad Rasheed - It was not implied. We are talking about that group, since that was the group whose mods were bigoted and expressed anti-Free Speech tendencies. No other group was relevant because we were discussing One Particular Group.

Muhammad Rasheed - If I had hopped around and had the same experience with numerous other groups, then that part of your speech would make sense, because it would have meant I was unfairly singling out Cartoonist's Cafe's behavior by only mentioning them.

I only mentioned them because they were the offending party in my specific experience.

Alan Groening - we're having a discussion

Alan Groening - i did muck up your personal timeline and fir that i am sorry.

Alan Groening - ok I cleaned up my mess dude

Muhammad Rasheed - Alan Groening wrote: “and I dont think we're as anti-islam as you think”

All cartoons that would offend Muslims are allowed to stay. The mods would only check people who protested those cartoons, or drew cartoons of their own that criticized those cartoons. You can’t get more anti-Islam than that, sir.

Alan Groening wrote: “I did not remove you from the group (and for the record I dont even know if it was Ben Biz Tate)”

When I posted facts that proved a bigoted anti-Islam cartoon’s fundamental message was wrong, in defense of my sacred belief system, you called me a “troublemaker.”

Alan Groening wrote: “if a Cartoon depicts mass decapitations in the streets in the name of Allah, we'd remove it NOT because we're anti-Islam, we'd remove it because its not in good taste, that doesn't make us a racist group”

The “racist group” part is the moderators’ practice of only checking and warning people who have a counter-stance opinion against cartoons that are anti-Islamic.

Muhammad Rasheed - If I wanted it "cleaned up" I would've done it myself. I'M the mod on my own Timeline.

Muhammad Rasheed - I prefer to allow people to show the world who they really are.

Muhammad Rasheed - Don't "clean it up." Be true. Be yourself.

Brett Barton - Yeah Muhammad Rasheed, clean up!

You need to be white, Christian, and a cop!

Muhammad Rasheed - A few of my FB Friends and acquaintances have accused me of "heavily editing" their words to deliberately make them look bad (as a "Supremacist Guru" one called it), but in all honesty I have never done so. People can't help but reveal who they are if you allow it.

Alan Groening - I agree, and you have revealed yourself, and Brett Barton has revealed himself , and in your eyes, you have revealed me as the stereotypical white Christian copper that hates Muslims.... thanks for that.

Muhammad Rasheed - Need I remind you that you came onto my personal Timeline, and actually attempted to moderate me in a status you disapproved of?

You may thank yourself.

Muhammad Rasheed - If that wasn't an amazing display of white privilege in action, I don't know what is. lol

Alan Groening - and by "attempted to Moderate" you mean I attempted to edit your posts, that I attempted to censor you in some way? right? because that's what Moderate means dude.

maybe you should re-read the definition of Moderate.

Muhammad Rasheed - In that group you moderate, you check people by telling them to "Draw cartoons." That's your demonstrated style of moderation... breaking up discussions you disapprove of by telling the posters to "Draw cartoons. No one wants to hear this crap."

That's literally what you did in THIS thread here on my PERSONAL Timeline.

Muhammad Rasheed - You must have the Gold Card® of white privilege, huh, Alan?

Alan Groening - yes... tis true.

Muhammad Rasheed - I KNOW it is.

Alan Groening - and then you said that I'd stepped into "your personal KILL ZONE"

Muhammad Rasheed - Yup. As a fellow cartoonist, what are our weapons?

Muhammad Rasheed - En garde.

Alan Groening - ...and hilarity ensues.

Muhammad Rasheed - I have a few more strip ideas starring you, "Officer," but it's your move now.

Muhammad Rasheed - Go.

Alan Groening - thanks

Muhammad Rasheed - You're welcome. Bring your 'A' Game.


See Also:


A Cartoonists' Group to Celebrate Anti-Free Speech

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