Wednesday, November 19, 2014

Too Old for School...?


Alessandro Fiorenza - Nice pic

Luke King - You're supposed to roll the damn right hand Hopkins ! You of all people should know this.  Where were you that night?

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - no Luke Hopkins was his usual self. (am intelligent warrior) but Kovalev was just too good

Alessandro Fiorenza - Hopkins had his game plan but he underestimate the stamina,the defense  and the mental preparation of Kovalev,in my opinion

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - No I don't think Hopkins will underestimate any opponent. Hopkins is a master boxer but he just got schooled that's all. I believe Bernard can still beat a lot of other light heavies though

Joel John Seno Sandrino - Hopkinsneed to retire

Alessandro Fiorenza - Ruben,I didn't mean that Hopkins thought Kovalev was shit but usually a big puncher,who never fought more than 8 round in an official fight has in his stamina a question mark. I honestly think that Hopkins tried to survive most of the fight to bring Kovalev where he was never been and see if he could have any advantage of it (sorry for my bad English)

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - Allessandro I'm not Hopkins but I did my homework on Kovalev and I noticed that he is not just a big puncher bbut a very intelligent boxer who picks his punches and who moves in and out of range and also makes use of lateral movement. I noted it so do you really think Hopkins did not realise this befire the fight? Don't you think Hopkins and his team did their homework?

Alessandro Fiorenza - They didn't know how Kovalev would have worked in a much longer fight,they probably hoped he would have get tired or stuff

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - No Alessandro. At Hopkins ' age and level, he can not afford to hope his opponent aint fit.

Donovan Medina – Bhop can take a punch

Ed Vel - This punch is as solid as it gets. You have to admire B-hop for lasting 12 rounds!

Joseph Lopez - Great technical fight, Kovalev is a smart fighter. Hopkins is a genius in the ring, but didn't have the physical tools to deal with a beast like Kovalev.

George Arvanitis - Bottom line hopkins wanted kovalev on his resume and kovalev wanted hopkinsin his

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George Arvanitis - Hopkins was ready no doubt, but kovalev wasnt hurt 
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Jesse Kaellis - Eat my leather, old man!
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Herman Champ Henry - Let's not forget Bernard is 49 years old...This was no surprise!
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Muhammad Rasheed - Hopkins certainly didn't get "schooled," he was just unable to compensate for the opponent's age/youth advantage this time. We may be close to "hang 'em up" time.
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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - I don't think Hopkins ' age showed. But I think he did get schooled in that Kovalev won almost every round. If a boxer loses almost every round then you can say he got schooled. If the scores were close then he didn't get schooled
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Muhammad Rasheed - Getting beat to the punch because the other guy was faster with sharper reflexes means that youth triumphed over maturity. Getting "schooled" means that the more experienced fighter out-skilled the other based on superior knowledge.
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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - no not true. You can get 2 fighters who are the same age but one has more speed than the other. A more experienced fighter will not always school the less experienced fighter. Kovalev is already in his early 30's. Not a spring chicken. whittaker was much more experienced than de la hoya, so was Chavez. they did not school Oscar. Hopkins is a tremendous athlete but he lost to the better man. Even if Hopkinswas 10 years younger I believe we would see the same result. Credit to Sergei 
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Muhammad Rasheed - Sure, there are people who technically "experience" a position, or profession, but actually learn very little. It happens all the time, a result of complacency. But others learn exactly what they need to learn to excel past average, and despite their age, outperform a physically older opponent because they took the time to master the many different facets of the science and the other didn't. The resulting domination would be "a schooling" based on applied knowledge. 
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Being outperformed solely based on physical gifts alone because of the age difference, isn't a schooling. Hopkins was just showing his age, and the younger fighter was able to beat him to the punch. 
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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - in all Hopkins' previous fights he never showed his age. Even when Joe Calzaghe beat him nobody said anything about Bernard's age so why now all of a sudden? 
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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - so I suppose with your reasoning Hopkins showed his age against Calzaghe too? 
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Muhammad Rasheed - RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "in all Hopkins ' previous fights he never showed his age. Even when Joe Calzaghe beat him nobody said anything about Bernard's age so why now all of a sudden?"
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What do you mean? He's OLDER now. Did you think he would be able to perform at that level forever? Now he finally fought someone who he wasn't able to outperform. That's how it goes in athletic competitions. The younger man has the natural advantage, and the longer you stay in the game... 

...it's just a matter of time.

Muhammad Rasheeed - Now it SEEMS to be Hopkins' time. If he stays in there, this will happen more and more often. He's not Superman you know. lol




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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - ok so are you saying Calzage beat a young hopkins fair and square? Hopkins was already in his 40's. What about George Forman. Why didn't his age show against Moorer? The fact is Kovalev would beat most light heavy weights in the history of boxing. He is the real deal

Muhammad Rasheed - RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "ok so are you saying Calzage beat a young hopkinsfair and square? Hopkinswas already in his 40's."

Ruben I'm only saying exactly what I said. Obviously other matches are different, with lots of  other minute variables. The unpredictability component is one of the items that makes this sport exciting, yes?

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "What about George Forman. Why didn't his age show against Moorer?"

Of course his age showed against Moorer. Did you even watch that fight? Moorer was embarrassing Big George in there until he got clocked with a single one of those legendary heavy hands (see above: unpredictability component).

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "the fact is Kovalev would beat most light heavy weights in the history of boxing. He is the real deal"

lol Well, forgive me, but I am certainly capable of recognizing the difference between "fact" and the over-enthusiastic praise of a worshipful fan.  History will reveal the nature of the facts soon enough. I'm uninterested in the cheerleading rah rah.
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RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald - it does not matter if moorer outboxed foreman. Fact is he lost to a 45 year old. Do you aggree that on hopkins ' performance against kovalev he would have beaten a lot of light heavie?

Muhammad Rasheed - RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "it does not matter if moorer outboxed foreman. Fact is he lost to a 45 year old."

It IS a fact that Moorer lost the fight, but the fact that it was a technical shut out (the "schooling" we were discussing earlier) before he caught George's Big Right Hand absolutely mattered. lol It certainly factored into whether the new champ was willing to give the stunned and humiliated Moorer a rubber match or not. hahahaha

RubentheHammer Taylor Groenewald wrote: "Do you aggree that on hopkins ' performance against kovalev he would have beaten a lot of light heavie?"

How could I agree to that? I'm as in awe at this old ass man still being in there (winning titles!) as everyone else. I can only agree to what I see happen before my eyes when it comes to the future Hall of Famer BHOP… one fight at a time.  ;)  

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