Ioannis Puliafito - Why is the American culture (and much of Western culture) centered around ghetto street culture? When did the admiration of intelligence and fine arts become outdated, leading to a take over of pop culture?
Muhammad Rasheed - The use of the politically-charged buzz words “ghetto street culture” strongly implies a racial bias by the Questioner, but I don’t want to harp over-long on that part. I actually want to explore the much more interesting core thought presented, but first, from my own perspective, it seems as if there is actually a saturation of poor white culture throughout popular media, and it has been for generations now. Did you mean that group’s ‘low brow’ culture, too, or just the poor Black culture as implied by the precise words chosen in your Question?
Anyway, I’m interested in the idea that Western culture used to admire “intelligence and fine arts” and then it stopped. It’s pretty clear that the goal of questions like this one is to do little more than reinforce and maintain the toxic, mainstream white supremacist narrative by fishing for like minds, and pontificating at length over the lie that [decode] “the liberals are tainting pure, superior white culture by forcing the inferior mud races to be outside of their lowly nature and treating them like they’re real people!” [decode] The fact that the question’s author is high-fiving all the answers that sound just like that ("thug" music? really?), reveals this tired old agenda.When we look at the linear thread of the historical record we find the following:
- Western culture was upgraded into civilized status by first encounters with Black people who brought high-culture to Europe.
- When the European colonialists/conqueror era began it was marked not only by the Europeans literally enslaving their world stage competition, but also by their aggressively seizing all literature/records from conquered lands and sending the materials back to HQ to decode and plagiarize as the decoders’ own inventions/discoveries. In fact, even before the colonialist era can we find Europeans engaged in the same colossal lack of integrity and thievery, as witnessed by the so-called “Greek miracle” where Greeks would travel to Black civilizations like Ancient Egypt, learn a bit of the Sciences from the learned priests, and then bring the info back where they would claim to be the originator of the concepts.
- The combination of the hoarded stolen lore from the remnants of conquered non-white civilizations, plus the hoarded unprecedented wealth amassed from the anti-Black chattel slavery era created a filthy rich white racist aristocracy, who spent the next several centuries in a dedicated retcon of history to pretend they were the master race the world was waiting for. Within the new White Supremacist Ideology narrative, whites were supposed to be the pinnacle of human evolution, and the fruits of the savagery they unleashed upon the world were only a God-given mandate for them to rule (or whatever).
So to answer your question, “…when did admiration for intelligence and fine art become outdated?” my answer is as soon as your retcon of history was complete, and you forgot the faces of the people who civilized you. That’s the point when your children returned to type.
Ioannis Puliafito - First Off,
While a thought out answer, this does not really adress what I am asking. I have no racial implications in this question actually. The Youth of America today focus on activities that carry very little weight(social media popularity, etc, I’m sure you get my point.) Anywho, I believe this derived from Street Culture, and I did not state “Black Culture”, so I don’t know why you believe I was pinpointing a certain group of people. Whether Caucasian, African, Latino, or Asian, I see American youth of all races largely enjoying “Street Culture”, which is associted with, obviously, Street life in the ghetto.
You begin to bring into play questionable and unhistorical truths such as the Moorish people building European castles, and Egypt being an African Civilizarion(which I assume you mean Black, not Middle Eastern Egyptian).
I’m just asking how American Youth and their culture has shifted so drastically in only an estimated 200 years.
Muhammad Rasheed - I meant exactly what I said.
Tell me what you meant by “ghetto street culture.” Whose culture is this that you’re referencing?
Muhammad Rasheed - You asked “when did admiration for intelligence and fine art become outdated.” My answer is “as soon as your retcon of history was complete, and you forgot the faces of the people who civilized you.” That’s the point when your children returned to type.
Ioannis Puliafito - American youth culture. Maybe you should reread my previous comment which I believed to be thorough. If it wasn’t, this is what I am stating:
Let’s take the word “ghetto street culture” out of the mix, since I am detecting unwanted tension. Children of all ethnicities and races are spending their time with lethargic activities(social media), and listen to music that is very negative(Profanity, drug related themes, etc) However say 200 years ago at the origin of the U.S, many children studied, and intelligence was promoted within society, as well as self improvement.
THIS is what my question is trying to convey.
Muhammad Rasheed - 200 years ago was 1818. Obviously my first answer is the answer to your question, you just don’t like facing truth. You prefer the white supremacist narrative that’s pushed in the mainstream as the truth of history so of course my answer isn’t “what you were looking for.”
Ioannis Puliafito - I don’t understand how the truth of history plays a role in my question. I’m only talking America, which was founded fairly recently, and had different values and culture than today, and I’m asking how American culture of the past youth has evolved into today’s American culture of today’s youth. While writing this questions I never had any racial implications nor did I seek to debate history, so I’m not sure why you are bringing up the intelligence of African civilizations. Any who if you can answer my question now, knowing what I’m looking for, that would be great.
Muhammad Rasheed - Ioannis wrote: "I don’t understand how the truth of history plays a role in my question."
The very nature of your question is comparing peoples in history. lol
Ioannis wrote: "I’m only talking America, which was founded fairly recently..."
And yet, you have "and much of Western culture" in parentheses. Curious.
Ioannis wrote: "...and had different values and culture than today..."
It has the exact same anti-Black systemic racism values and culture it's always had.
Ioannis wrote: "...and I’m asking how American culture of the past youth has evolved into today’s American culture of today’s youth."
The mainstream culture of both today and yesterday was "redneck culture." Only the elitist class put on the airs of 'admiration' as mentioned in your question. The average citizen always admired the criminal class. What you are 'remembering' isn't real on a grand scale. Only ht epeople incharge of the institutions, and their efforts to push the White Supremacist Ideology narrative were trying to believe what you falsely think was a nation-wide thing.
Ioannis wrote: "While writing this questions I never had any racial implications..."
That's a lie. I see you enthusiastically 'high-fived' an Answer from a Quoran who regurgitated that typical anti-Black "thug" talk, too.
Ioannis wrote: "...nor did I seek to debate history, so I’m not sure why you are bringing up the intelligence of African civilizations."
Ioannis wrote: "Any who if you can answer my question now, knowing what I’m looking for, that would be great."
The guy who was talking about "thug music" clearly wrote what you were looking for, and in the process, proved without doubt your Question was saturated with everything you denied. Typical.